re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Brother, the MIC, or the military-industrial complex means something very very specific. Apparently the issue is that you don't know what it means.

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I think the opposite problem is true, you don't know what it means

Brother, it is literally in the name. Hence why I made reference to private parties, because the industrial aspect of that complex is by definition made up of private capital. Do you understand the history of the term or how it is used?

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politicians prolong war -> companies sell lots of shite for the war -> companies give benefits to politicians who prolonged the war

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Okay, so we both agree you don't understand what the MIC means. Cool. And this is a toddler's understanding of things.

Because, like I said, those companies were going to find lots of work by virtue of the sea change in government policy. As in, regardless of 'prolonging' any conflict, the budgets and plans are set for the next half-decade to decade. Unless you think all of this happens overnight.

The moment Russia invaded and the allies responded ensured the same outcome without reference to prolonging or ending any conflict. That is what you can't seem to understand for some reason.

Russian tourists cancel Crimea holidays en-masse, Ukrainian military intelligence says

by Chris York July 19, 2024 4:26 PM

Russian tourists have canceled summer holiday bookings in occupied Crimea en-masse, amid concerns over the "difficult security situation," Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) said on July 19.

In a post on Telegram, HUR claimed 80% of trips to Sevastopol had been canceled while the rate across the peninsula as a whole was more than a third.

"The mass refusal of Russians to vacation in Crimea was influenced by the unreliable and deadly work of the invaders' air defense system," HUR said.

Russia has a number of military bases in Crimea, most notably in Sevastopol, home of the Kremlin's Black Sea Fleet, though successful Ukrainian strikes forced Moscow to pull out much of its naval forces from the peninsula earlier this month.

Despite often being within sight of active military bases, some Russian tourists continue to vacation at the Black Sea beach resorts.

Last month, three people reportedly died when Russian air defenses intercepted Ukrainian missiles over the peninsula.

While HUR's claims about the cancelation rates could not be verified, earlier news reports paint a picture of a Crimean tourist industry in dire trouble.

In May, it was reported that local health resorts were offering discounts of up to 40% in an attempt to lure tourists to the peninsula.

The Kyiv Independent

You're placing a lot of importance on who started it, when it really doesn't matter at all for my argument

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We have verifiable instances of countries changing policy and course, such as in the documents I mentioned.

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..... to better fund the war effort. Who makes the money during a war?

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to better fund the war effort. Who makes the money during a war?

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Why do you talk about things which clearly aren't true? The documents I'm referring to reference one country and one country alone. Not a surprise you didn't know that.

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Seriously GFY you pro war guys are the worst of the worst

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This is my favorite. In your world Putin -- who started the fricking war -- is the good guy. And those of us who want him to go home and end the war .... we're the "pro war guys".

If you guys want to see the face of mental illness...this is it.

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And those of us who want him to go home and end the war .... we're the "pro war guys".

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There are some here who don't react to new information though. They default to "Putin started if, he should just go home" when that isn't going to happen. Obviously if he just packed his shite and left that would be better for everyone (except him, but who gives a frick).

Unfortunately we have to live in a world where we react to and deal with the actual conditions in front of us, not our ideal scenarios in our heads.

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If you believe the west killed the 2022 peace talks, then that's obviously them prolonging it.

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You realize there are multiple explanations for this, right? And do you think a ceasefire then would have been the end of hostilities? Because, again, the immediate reaction of the Allies meant/means only one thing.

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If you don't, the way we have gradually trickled weapons deliveries and permissions for them to use the weapons however they want is another example.

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What? It’s more of an example of how a large coalition has to work.

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And I will say again I built out a hypothetical there, I'm defending a hypothetical that I don't necessarily believe 100% but trying to steelman it.

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You not only argued it poorly, but also showed no interest in the realities of what the European security situation was before and after February of 2022 and seem impervious to any suggestion that defense companies are going to see a windfall through no effort of the West to create that situation.

You are remarkably ignorant about geopolitics and keep talking about it using only buzzwords you don’t understand. Like you said, maybe you should start dealing with the ‘actual conditions in front of us’ rather than approach things as dishonestly as you have. I don’t for a second believe you were ‘steelmaning’ anything or that for you this is even a hypothetical. Your singular goal here seems to be to try to make this thread worse, just like the cum dumpsters who stop by every once in a while and pretend that this thread has any bearing on what happens in Ukraine.