re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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You have no logical response. Thanks for playing.

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These dumbassed allegations have been answered over and over and over and over again in this thread for 3877 pages... your kind doesn't come here to actually take in information and read anything, you just keep repeating the same crap over and over... you're trolls at best, brainwashed at worst.

This could impact Macron's power... but it seems a gamble he would not take if he wasn't confident in the result...

CNN: Macron gambles on snap election after crushing loss to French far right in EU vote.

France’s President Emmanuel Macron has dissolved the country’s parliament, the National Assembly, and called a snap election after an exit poll showed his Renaissance party is set to be trounced by the far-right opposition in European parliamentary elections on Sunday.

After initial projections, the far-right National Rally (RN) party came out on top with 31.5% of the vote, more than double the share of Renaissance, which scraped into second place on 15.2% of the vote, just ahead of the Socialists in third with 14.3% of the vote.

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Im pro make peace

This is an unnecessary war, like the rest of them.

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You are one of the bend over and take it people, I don't understand you but I understand you exist but this and pretty much every other country exists because of people that didn't care to take it with a smile.

"As long as it takes"

As far as I can tell from what all the experts who supposedly have access to discussions that go on behind closed doors about all of this stuff...

"As long as it takes" means containing Russia to fighting in Ukraine, rather than spilling over to a full NATO confrontation, for as long as it takes for Putin's economy and military and power are degraded to the point where he is not a problem for anyone anymore. As to why we have restrictions, apparently, it is to avoid escalation to a Nuclear exchange (the same reason we want to avoid a full NATO confrontation with Russia). These things get expanded in baby steps... having other countries in NATO remove restrictions first undercuts Putin portraying it as a US aggression, but someone predicted by the end of this year Ukraine will have permission to strike anything anywhere in Russia, because Putin makes the case for it every time he retaliates to a Ukrainian military success by killing Ukrainian civilians in anger. There's politics involved, too... there will be people screaming when those restrictions are lifted and trying to cut off aid again because of it, so public support has to be built... and I personally think it's a shame it has to be built on the graves of Ukrainians.

The Hill:

Graham says he supports the US training forces in Ukraine

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Sunday he would support the United States training Ukrainian forces overseas.

“Yes, I do support us training inside the country. The delay and weapons because of House inaction, we did lose momentum. But from the very beginning, the Biden administration, they did not impose pre-invasion sanctions to deter Putin. They didn’t give weapons to Ukraine early on to deter Putin. And now we got a chance to reset this war that they have the weapons,” Graham said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

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Graham continued to emphasize his support for Ukraine amid its ongoing war with Russia, which invaded the country more than two years ago.

“Either we’re going to help Ukraine or we’re not. It’s now time to give them the F-16s, let them fly the planes, long-range artillery to hit targets inside of Russia. Go after Putin’s assets wherever, all over the world. Go on the offensive. I think the summer Ukraine will regain military momentum,” he said.

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"As long as it takes" means containing Russia to fighting in Ukraine, rather than spilling over to a full NATO confrontation, for as long as it takes for Putin's economy and military and power are degraded to the point where he is not a problem for anyone anymore.

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Ukrainians be damned?

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... and I personally think it's a shame it has to be built on the graves of Ukrainians.

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Facts not in evidence.

This administration made it crystal clear over two years ago they want this war. They don't want peace. They made it crystal clear, just as you described, that they are happy throw as much Ukrainian human fodder as possible at the Russians to "press Putin." Define it as you'd like. Blame whomever you want. But in the end, you support sacrificing thousands and thousands of Ukrainians in order to hopefully "weaken" Putin.

Big claim from the Ukrainian general staff (official Telegram page):

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Tonight, the Defense Forces of Ukraine carried out successful strikes against one S-400 anti-aircraft missile division in the Dzhankoy area, as well as two enemy S-300 anti-aircraft missile divisions near Chornomorske and Yevpatoriya.

None of our launched missiles was intercepted by the enemy's "highly effective" anti-aircraft defense.

In particular, in the specified areas, after the strikes of the Ukrainian missile launchers, the immediate shutdown of the complex's radars was recorded S-300/S-400.

In addition, further detonation of ammunition was noted in all three areas of the starting positions of the anti-aircraft missile divisions of the Russian Federation.

Thanks to the successful combat work of the Defense Forces, Air defense of the Russian invaders in the Ukrainian Crimea suffered significant losses.

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Obviously, video evidence needs to be forthcoming to support these claims. I saw one Russian source that there were NOT any secondary explosions.

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Are you implying that Russias war with Ukraine is justified because Ukraine fired on Donetsk?

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Poor sap drinks Russian propaganda from a firehose and then is pathetic enough to say this:

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You are proof the government's propaganda works on far too many

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People like him really aren't worth the time. There are lots of us here trying to understand the war and follow its developments. This thread gets a lot less readable when trolls come in to stir up crap and then people respond to every little thing that they say. There's no helping ignorant people who are proud of being ignorant -- just ignore them.

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Well if Ukraine is losing, you tell us if Russia is winning...

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This is an instance where the win-lose pairing is uncoupled. Russia may have the upper hand, but it's is losing too. Meanwhile, both sides claim they're winning.

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Big claim from the Ukrainian general staff (official Telegram page):

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Tendar reporting that NASA Firms data does show ongoing fires at two locations. He also has a map of last night's claimed ATACMS strikes.

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