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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:12 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:12 am to
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clown post, bro


Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. If you ever agreed with my posts, I'd have to go get a mental health checkup.

I'm really glad that you post here. You, at least, are an entertaining troll -- unlike the boring, stupid troll we have on here all the time lately.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:19 am to
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I'm really glad that you post here. You, at least, are an entertaining troll -- unlike the boring, stupid troll we have on here all the time lately.


I think you have low standards. Entertaining??? Bah humbug.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:22 am to
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They really don't need those to hold the terrain they are in.


Agreed. Ukrainian artillery can cover them from the other side of the Dnipro. One function of these raids is to expose Russian armor and artillery.

And Ukraine isn't risking much with raids like this. If necessary, these marines can beat a hasty retreat to their boats and get back across the Dnipro.

But if they decide they want to establish a large bridgehead and put a pontoon or pontoon ferry across the Dnipro, they'll need to first clear Russian troops out of artillery range of the crossing point, and they would likely need armored vehicles to do that.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:07 pm to
Keep up the work, you are almost to the half way point

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:55 pm to
At present rate Russian armor gone in 3 years, if not less. AFVs IFVs etc...
LINK

This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 3:56 pm
Posted by RuLSU
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 4:17 pm to
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At present rate Russian armor gone in 3 years, if not less. AFVs IFVs etc...

It's hard to believe that when Russia is willing to throw away 100+ armored vehicles in a 10 day stretch.

Either they've got more armor than the link presents, or this is some bizarre battle of the bulge attack.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 4:22 pm to
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Either they've got more armor than the link presents, or this is some bizarre battle of the bulge attack.


That includes what is in open air storage for decades. Though not Battle of the Bulge last gasp, it's getting closer to that time
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:19 pm to
LINK

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Col. Ants Kiviselg, head of the Estonian Defense Forces (EDF) Intelligence Center said that Russia still has around four million artillery shells, which can be continue to be used for low-intensity warfare for another year. At the same time, the supply of an additional 350,000 artillery shells from North Korea shows that Russia plans to continue its war against Ukraine for a long time.
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Kiviselg added, that during the past week, there have been reports of an ammunition and artillery shipment from North Korea to Russia.

"There have been reports of up to 1,000 sea containers being shipped to Tikhoretsk in Krasnodar Krai. Assuming that one sea container can hold 300-350 pieces of artillery ammunition, it can be said that a total of 300,000 – 350,000 pieces have been transferred. Considering that the daily consumption of artillery ammunition by the Russian troops is 10,000 pieces, this amount would be enough to last around one month," Kiviselg said.

"According to our calculations, Russia should still have around four million pieces of ammunition left. This [means they] could continue at the current relatively low intensity of [using] 10,000 rounds per day for just over a year," Kiviselg said.

Thus, according to Kiviselg, supplying ammunition to the front is not necessarily the primary aim or an unavoidable necessity. Rather, it is a matter of stockpiling for the long term. "The supplies from North Korea indicate that Russia plans to continue its war in Ukraine for a long time and is taking concrete steps towards doing so," Kiviselg said.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:41 pm to
The final Oryx tally:



Including those helicopters, the Oryx list added 118 total Russian losses in the last three days: LINK
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:52 pm to
Isw update

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Ukrainian forces have likely repelled another intensified Russian offensive effort towards Avdiivka in the past several days and inflicted further heavy personnel and equipment losses on Russian troops in the area. Ukrainian and Russian sources indicated that Russian forces mounted another offensive push on Avdiivka between October 19 and 20, and geolocated footage posted on October 21 confirms that Russian forces did make marginal gains northwest of Avdiivka in the waste heap area.[1] Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces are gradually advancing north of Avdiivka near the waste heap towards Berdychi (5km northwest of Avdiivka).[2] A Ukrainian military observer noted that Russian forces are attacking towards Stepove (3km northwest of Avdiivka), towards Novokalynove (7km north of Avdiivka), and towards the waste heap from the Krasnohorivka-Vesele area.[3] However, Ukrainian military officials noted that Russian forces have somewhat decreased the pace of offensive operations near Avdiivka on October 21, and reiterated earlier Ukrainian reporting that Russian forces lost 50 tanks, 100 armored vehicles, and 900 personnel during attacks on Avdiivka on October 19.[4] Estonian Defense Forces Intelligence Center Head Ants Kiviselg notably identified the Avdiivka push as a potential avenue for a new Russian offensive alongside offensive operations along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border.[5] The fact that Russian forces continue to recommit waves of personnel and equipment to offensive efforts in the Avdiivka area suggests that Russian command will continue to prioritize this axis, despite high losses and the general low quality of Russian forces on the offensive.[6] A Ukrainian military official noted that Russia's regular infantry and tactics writ large are "consistently bad" and that Russian forces are relying instead on unmanned aerial systems (such as Lancet drones), artillery, and aviation.[7] It appears that Russian forces are continuing to use ineffective and costly tactics in offensive efforts near Avdiivka leading to high personnel and vehicle losses, and that they have continuously done so in several waves of attacks over the past week suggests that the Russian military command is prioritizing this axis, despite continued and growing losses.

Russian forces are struggling to interdict Ukrainian efforts to supply and reinforce newly captured positions on the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast. BBC Russia Service reported on October 21 that Ukrainian personnel involved in ground operations on the east bank stated that they are fighting to take full control of Krynky (30km northeast of Kherson City and 2km from the Dnipro River).[8] Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces maintain positions in Krynky, but disagreed about the extent of these positions.[9] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces advanced up to almost two kilometers south of Kyrnky.[10] Another milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces control all of Krynky, although a different milblogger directly refuted this claim and claimed that Russian forces pushed a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group out of positions on the southern outskirts of the settlement.[11] Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces are firing on Ukrainian positions near the Antonivsky roadway bridge north of Oleshky (7km south of Kherson City and 4km from the Dnipro River) and the Antonivsky railway bridge north of Poyma (10km southeast of Kherson City and 4km from the Dnipro River).[12] One milblogger claimed that there were combat engagements near Krynky and Pishchanivka (12km southeast of Kherson City and 3km from the Dnipro River), although most Russian sources claimed that Russian forces are primarily using aviation and artillery units to try to dislodge Ukrainian forces from positions on the east bank.[13] Select Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces are evacuating wounded personnel and transferring new forces and light equipment across the Dnipro River to support positions on the east bank.[14] Ukrainian forces have maintained a presence on the east bank since starting larger-than-usual ground operations on the night of October 17–18, suggesting that Ukrainian forces have been able to adequately supply and reinforce the groups conducting these operations despite increased Russian aviation activity along the Dnipro River

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 21. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) direction and Bakhmut direction.[16] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces advanced west of Novofedorivka (21km southeast of Orikhiv) and are 6 kilometers away from the settlement.[17] Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces continued assaults along the Robotyne-Kopani and Robotyne-Novoprokopivka lines.[18]

Russian forces may be diversifying the mix of missiles, guided bombs, and drones used in strikes on Ukrainian rear areas, likely in an attempt to find gaps in Ukrainian air defenses ahead of further strikes over the winter. The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command reported that Russian forces launched unknown air-to-surface missiles at Mykolaiv, Kherson, and Odesa oblasts; Kh-59 missiles at Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, and Mykolaiv and Kherson oblasts; and Iskander-K cruise missiles and Shahed drones at Kryvyi Rih on the night of October 20­–21.[19] The Southern Operational Command noted that three of the unknown missiles detonated mid-air, a Kh-59 struck a residential area in Kryvyi Rih, and the Iskanders and Shaheds hit industrial facilities in Kryvyi Rih.[20] The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command reported that Russian tactical aviation simultaneously launched 30 modified KAB guided bombs against frontline areas in Kherson Oblas

Disgraced Moscow City Duma Deputy Yevgeny Stupin formally requested on October 20 that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) investigate Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin for “divulging state secrets." Stupin shared a copy of his official request on his Telegram channel on October 21 and accused Sobyanin of publicizing the location of an air defense production plant in the Rudnevo industrial zone in Nekrasovka, Moscow Oblast during the plant’s opening on October 17, making the facility an easier target for Ukrainian drone strikes

Kremlin newswire TASS reported on October 20 that Russian authorities confirmed Colonel General Viktor Afzalov in his previous acting role as Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace (VKS) Forces.[28] Kremlin newswire RIA Novosti reported on August 23 that Putin formally dismissed Wagner-affiliated Army General Sergei Surovikin as commander of the Russian VKS and replaced him with Afzalov.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/21/23 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces have likely repelled another intensified Russian offensive effort towards Avdiivka in the past several days and inflicted further heavy personnel and equipment losses on Russian troops in the area.

Russian forces are struggling to interdict Ukrainian efforts to supply and reinforce newly captured positions on the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 21.

Russian forces may be diversifying the mix of missiles, guided bombs, and drones used in strikes on Ukrainian rear areas, likely in an attempt to find gaps in Ukrainian air defenses ahead of further strikes over the winter.

Disgraced Moscow City Duma Deputy Yevgeny Stupin formally requested on October 20 that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) investigate Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin for “divulging state secrets."

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in various sectors of the front.

The Russian federal government is reportedly taking steps to rectify some discrepancies in the treatment of personnel in irregular and regular formations.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 5:01 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 22 October 2023

Recent Russian assaults in Avdiivka have contributed to a 90% increase in Russian casualties recorded by the Ukrainian MOD.

Since February 2022, Russia has significantly increased its force footprint on the ground in Ukraine by intensifying recruitment using financial incentives and the partial mobilisation conducted in Autumn 2022. This increase of personnel is the major factor behind Russia's ability to both defend held territory and conduct costly assaults.

It is likely that Russia has suffered 150,000-190,000 permanent casualties (killed and permanently wounded) since the conflict began, with the total figure including temporarily wounded (recovered and due to return to the battlefield in some capacity) in the region of 240,000-290,000. This does not include Wagner Group or their prisoner battalions who fought in Bakhmut.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 1:35 pm to


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The French Minister of Armed Forces, Sébastien Lecornu, announced that Paris and Yerevan will formalize agreements on the purchase of French weaponry, particularly in the field of air defense on Sunday.

"It is necessary to allow Armenia to protect its civilian population and secure its borders. Tomorrow, we will officially finalize Armenia's acquisition of a specific quantity of weaponry from French manufacturers, including the signing of a contract that will enable the country to defend its airspace," stated Lecornu in an interview with the Parisien newspaper.

Earlier this month, during discussions about the 2024 budget, which took place in the Senate committee, Minister Lecornu stated that France would exclusively supply Armenia with defensive weaponry aimed at helping Armenia protect lives and ensure the security of its territory.

In October, Armenian President Vahagn Khachatryan stated that Yerevan was in need of a new military partner and was discussing military assistance with France.


Armenia isn't buying more Russian weapons? And a CSTO member is buying weapons from a NATO member? Russia continues to suffer strategic loss.

This move by Armenia comes just over a week after they signed the Rome Statute, which binds them to enforce the rulings of the International Criminal Court (meaning that Armenia would arrest Putin if he went to Armenia).

It also comes about a month after Armenia's president said that, if Russia wants to keep its military base at Gyumri, they should pay Armenia for the privilege.

All this is the result of Russia's failure to live up to its promises vis a vis Karabagh.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 4:26 pm to
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All this is the result of Russia's failure to live up to its promises vis a vis Karabagh.


Not Armenian territory, Russia had no legal obligation to fight what would be an offensive war on Armenias behalf.

The Armenians were stupid and they lost everything they won in the 90s.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 4:27 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 5:10 pm to
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Not Armenian territory, Russia had no legal obligation to fight what would be an offensive war on Armenias behalf.


How many of these CSTO nations have supported Russia's illegally occupying Ukrainian territory?

The point is that they see Russia not as an ally but as a lead weight.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 5:27 pm to
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The point is that they see Russia not as an ally but as a lead weight.


And the Armenians are placing their faith in NATO to be their new protector, that’s not a good idea. NATO is too far away, and is no physical position to intervene, and Turkey has far too much influence in NATO, the Turks will step on any attempt to protect Armenia from the Azeris. The only state that is motivated to protect their independence, and has the physical means to do so right now, is Iran, of all things. But their interests are limited. They just wouldn’t permit Armenia to be destroyed.

From the Russian perspective, they appear to have washed their hands of Yerevan and said goodbye and good luck. There’s a strong sense that the Armenians are equal parts stupid and ungrateful.

quote:

How many of these CSTO nations have supported Russia's illegally occupying Ukrainian territory?


They’re doing this for selfish reasons, it’s made them a lot of money, but they’re engaging in industrial scale sanction busting, importing goods for export to Russia. Because Russia has such a top down power structure, I assume was organized by and with Moscow.

The other CTSO states are also realistic, Russia will always be there, and so they have to find a way to make Russias existence work for them. The new investment they’re seeing from Russian companies is valuable, and not something they can get from the west, not on this scale, and not with such long term potential.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 5:38 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:03 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian forces are funneling additional forces to the Avdiivka front despite ongoing challenges with frontal mechanized assaults and the failure of a renewed push on October 19-20. Several Russian milbloggers claimed that there were no significant changes along the front in the Avdiivka direction on October 22.[1] Russian forces are likely once again pausing following a failed major push which suffered heavy losses. A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces “unexpectedly” counterattacked in the direction of Pisky (8km southwest of Donetsk City) and pushed Russian forces from positions in the area. Another milblogger stated that claims of Ukrainian advances near Pisky and Opytne (4km south of Avdiivka) are false.[2] Another Russian source allegedly serving in the Avdiivka direction claimed that Ukrainian forces did not conduct counterattacks in his unspecified sector of the front.[3] Geolocated footage published on October 21 indicates that Russian forces recently made marginal advances southeast of Pervomaiske (11km southwest of Avdiivka).[4] A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces have not completely cleared the Avdiivka waste heap area and that the area is currently a contested “gray zone.”[5]

A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger discussed difficulties that may be contributing to a “positional deadlock” for Russian offensive operations in the Avdiivka direction as of October 22.[6] The milblogger claimed that it is difficult to conduct maneuver warfare on a static front line with a large number of personnel and fortified areas on both sides. The milblogger noted that Ukrainian drones and other precision weapons have made armored vehicles increasingly vulnerable and have made ground attacks increasingly difficult. The milblogger also noted that Russian forces are facing difficulties in overcoming Ukrainian minefields near Avdiivka and are unable to completely destroy Ukrainian logistics, allowing the Ukrainian command to quickly transfer personnel to critical areas. Russian sources have previously claimed that Ukrainian defensive fortifications pose a significant challenge to Russian advances around Avdiivka.[7] These challenges are highly similar to those faced by Ukrainian forces in southern Ukraine in the initial weeks of the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in June 2023. However, it remains to be seen if Russian forces have the capabilities and flexibility to adapt in some manner, as Ukrainian forces did following early setbacks in June 2023.

Ukrainian sources stated that Russian forces continue to transfer personnel to the Avdiivka direction to support offensive efforts despite heavy losses. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated that the Russian military is deploying personnel from Russian territory directly to the Avdiivka direction to replace personnel losses.[8] Ukrainian military observer Kostyantyn Mashovets stated that the Russian military command has recently transferred several Russian regiments comprised of mobilized personnel to the Avdiivka direction, indicating that Russia likely does not plan to abandon operations in this direction.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 22. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian troops continue offensive actions south of Bakhmut and in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) directions.[10] Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun noted that Ukrainian forces maintained offensive pressure in western Zaporizhia Oblast despite active Russian hostilities in the Avdiivka direction.[11]

Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on October 22. Ukrainian military officials reported that Russian forces launched eight S-300 missiles, a Kh-59 missile, three Shahed-131/136 drones, and two drones of an unspecified type at targets in Ukraine and that Ukrainian air defenses destroyed the three Shahed drones and the Kh-59 missile.[12] Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces struck the “Nova Poshta” terminal near Kharkiv City as well as Kostyantynivka, Donetsk Oblast with S-300 missiles.

The nationalist pro-war Russian information space is reckoning with the possibility of a major demographic decline by weaponizing anti-migrant rhetoric. The Russian Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) published a new demographic forecast for the Russian Federation on October 20 that predicts that Russia's population will decrease to 138.77 million people by January 1, 2046.[15] Rosstat estimated that the rate of natural population decline will exceed 600,000 people per year between 2024-2032 but will slow to 400,000 people per year from 2032-2046.[16] Several Russian commentators seized on these statistics and warned that they portend “demographic catastrophe” if restorative measures are not undertaken immediately.[17] One Russian source blamed Russia’s declining population on migrants and called for ethnic Russians to immediately increase the national birthrate, as well as to automate many production systems to replace migrant labor.

A prominent Russian milblogger and frontline commander criticized Russian top-down censorship campaigns. Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky claimed on October 22 that many Russians are dissatisfied with official reports and summaries about the war in Ukraine and urged Russian officials to report honestly about the frontline to garner wider public support.[21] Khodakovsky, who has consistently complained about problems affecting Russian combat operations, claimed that all of his statements are “inspected with increased scrutiny” given his official status.[22] Khodakovsky argued that one can “install filters on the central media” but cannot make people think a certain way.[23] Khodakovsky claimed that unspecified actors who are “embarrassed” by his statements are pushing Rosgvardia to take action against him for his criticisms.

Deceased Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin's ideological and rhetorical campaign against the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has largely become decoupled from the issue of the Wagner Group and appears to have outlived Prigozhin himself. Russian lawyer Kirill Kachur, whom the Russian Investigative Committee charged in absentia for embezzlement and bribery in 2022, claimed on October 22 that Prigozhin filed applications to the Russian Investigative Committee to initiate a criminal case against Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov for the “genocide of the Russian people, the murder to tens of thousands of Russian citizens, and the transfer of Russian territories to the enemy” before Wagner’s June 24 armed rebellion.[27] Kachur appealed to Investigative Committee Head Alexander Bastrykin to publicly address what has happened to these applications since Prigozhin’s death and concluded that Russians who support Prigozhin and his message should coalesce around the ideological principles Prigozhin espoused and push for the restoration of justice in Russian society



Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Key Takeaways:

Russian forces are funneling additional forces to the Avdiivka front despite ongoing challenges with frontal mechanized assaults and the failure of a renewed push on October 19-20.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 22.

Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on October 22.

The nationalist pro-war Russian information space is reckoning with the possibility of a major demographic decline by weaponizing anti-migrant rhetoric.

A prominent Russian milblogger and frontline commander criticized Russian top-down censorship campaigns.

Deceased Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin's ideological and rhetorical campaign against the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has largely become decoupled from the issue of the Wagner Group and appears to have outlived Prigozhin himself.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on October 22.

Russian authorities are intensifying mobilization efforts targeting Central Asian migrant communities.

Russian occupation authorities continue to use cultural and education programs to forcibly Russify Ukrainian children.


Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:31 pm to
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Not Armenian territory, Russia had no legal obligation to fight what would be an offensive war on Armenias behalf.


Russia repeatedly promised Armenia that they would not allow the Karabakh question to be settled by military force. You can find plenty of past official Russian statements to this effect. That's why Russian peacekeepers were there, and that was the whole point of Armenia allowing Russia to keep its military base at Gyumri.

quote:

The Armenians were stupid and they lost everything they won in the 90s.


Yes, they shouldn't have trusted Putin. That was stupid.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 8:53 pm to
The Czech Air Force has just received its first batch of Viper and Venom helicopters. The Viper is a vastly upgraded and modernized Cobra attack helicopter while the UH-1Y Venom is a modernized Huey that is a utility/transport aircraft. They will now be giving g Ukraine all of the Soviet Mi-24/Mi-35 attack helicopters that it has left, both airworthy and not so they can use them for parts. Looks to be around 7-10 airworthy with some more in storage that is not airworthy.

LINK
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