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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:32 pm to ticklechain
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:32 pm to ticklechain
It's one thing to send socks or dip. It's another to send body armor and first aid supplies.
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:33 pm to OutsideObserver
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This is a more than sending stuff to friends that are deployed though, some of these crowd sourced drone assembly lines are reportedly making hundreds of drones per month.
We had war bonds and victory gardens during WWII.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:33 pm to OutsideObserver
Well you did say equipment to do their jobs, and that was some of the stuff that was sent, by request, bc they were issued shite
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:36 pm to Jim Rockford
Flashlights, molle gear, cold weather gear, p mags, boots, knives, etc etc. Yes dip and booze also
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:39 pm to ticklechain
Posted on 7/26/23 at 2:24 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:20 am to OutsideObserver
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1683861891481731073 - Video
Head of the State Duma Defense Committee Kartapolov objects to amendments to the Russian mobilisation law which would see fathers of several children and fathers of disabled children be exempt from total mobilisation, which he says is "in the air".
Looks like Kartapolov and his owner Kremlin Looney are ready to fight until the last Russian.
This story is becoming more interesting, following on from the above post there is some further analysis by the BBC in the below tweet and video. Two senior senators are being claimed as speaking out that the raising of the mobilisation bracket a further 3 years to 18-30 from 1/1/2024 was not discussed, the change was to shift the age bracket from 18-27 to 21-30. This was apparently justified by an inundation of requests from young men wanting to serve.
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1684077610110951424 - Video
It would seem the language and rhetoric is shifting and Russian media is preparing the public for further mobilisation, possibly in January.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:25 am to OutsideObserver
Is this still going on?
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:22 am to Pecker
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Pecker
Don’t understand why people are getting upset with you. Your son could be the next Ghost of Kiev
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:37 am to OutsideObserver
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It would seem the language and rhetoric is shifting and Russian media is preparing the public for further mobilisation, possibly in January.
Further mobilization is inevitable for Russia. This war has evolved into a war of attrition. That is evident to anyone with even a passing knowledge of the nature of this war. As I said days ago, in a war of attrition, the main determining things is numbers. You have to have large numbers of troops to feed the meat grinder at the front. And along with this, you also have to have even larger numbers of troops in the rear areas to support the troops at the front.
One of Putin’s biggest mistakes has been the fantasy that Russia could wage a war of conquest against Ukraine in much the same manner the US fought its wars in Iraqi and Afghanistan; which is to say a war that doesn’t disrupt the day to day lives of the average civilian. The difference between our wars in the Middle East and the Russo-Ukrainian War though is our wars in the Middle East, while lasting years, were low intensity conflicts with relatively low American casualties. There was no daily steady stream of American casualties anywhere close to the daily casualty toll the Russians are seeing in Ukraine, not to mention losses of vehicles and artillery systems.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 6:50 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Further mobilization is inevitable for Russia. This war has evolved into a war of attrition. That is evident to anyone with even a passing knowledge of the nature of this war. As I said days ago, in a war of attrition, the main determining things is numbers. You have to have large numbers of troops to feed the meat grinder at the front. And along with this, you also have to have even larger numbers of troops in the rear areas to support the troops at the front.
One of Putin’s biggest mistakes has been the fantasy that Russia could wage a war of conquest against Ukraine in much the same manner the US fought its wars in Iraqi and Afghanistan; which is to say a war that doesn’t disrupt the day to day lives of the average civilian. The difference between our wars in the Middle East and the Russo-Ukrainian War though is our wars in the Middle East, while lasting years, were low intensity conflicts with relatively low American casualties. There was no daily steady stream of American casualties anywhere close to the daily casualty toll the Russians are seeing in Ukraine, not to mention losses of vehicles and artillery systems.
Agreed, and nothing at this point in the conflict indicates it will move out of the attrition phase for the moment.
The question for me is which sides manpower, equipment, or will reaches a critical point first.
Russia has the advantage in manpower and equipment, though equipment is more even with varying disparities between each side in different areas - the increasing number of claims and reports of Russia starting to struggle with artillery supply is a trend to watch in my view.
Will I would give to Ukraine at this point as it is where I think Russia is weakest, though this is easily reversible as they just need to limit Ukrainian gains through till the next winter period at which point I expect to see Western support to start wavering.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:09 am to OutsideObserver
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Will I would give to Ukraine at this point as it is where I think Russia is weakest, though this is easily reversible as they just need to limit Ukrainian gains through till the next winter period at which point I expect to see Western support to start wavering.
If things remain equal and neither side is able to dominate the other and gain territory, will Ukraine’s will to survive as a nation outlast Russia’s will to secure Ukraine?
Right now it’s a stalemate, and if things in the battlefield remain relatively static; how will the politics play out at home(Ukraine/Russia)?
I guess time will tell.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:12 am to OutsideObserver
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Agreed, and nothing at this point in the conflict indicates it will move out of the attrition phase for the moment.
On the one hand, a slow, grinding, attritional war would seemingly benefit Russia in the very long term, as they have the much greater population, the Russian government and people seemingly put a lower value on human life, and American aid might drop in the wake of the 2024 election.
On the other hand, an attritional fight in the South in the short term might benefit Ukraine. A year ago, the Kharkiv offensive finally convinced Putin that he needed to do a big mobilization, but it was too late to prevent the loss of Izyium and Lyman.
It appears to me that Putin is repeating that mistake. The time for him to order another big mobilization was back in February. As Ukraine systematically removes Russia's artillery advantage, the risk of Russia being unable to defend its lines grows on a daily basis.
If, as I think, Ukraine completes the recapture of Bakhmut in 6-8 weeks, would that cause Putin to finally order another mobilization? And would that happen before Ukraine is able to create a breakthrough in the South?
To my mind, the timing of the next big Russian mobilization is a key variable in the endgame of the Ukrainian offensive.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:37 am to OutsideObserver
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Agreed, and nothing at this point in the conflict indicates it will move out of the attrition phase for the moment.
The question for me is which sides manpower, equipment, or will reaches a critical point first.
This is the key question as it seems it will be the determining factor in how this war ends. From the Ukrainian standpoint, everything depends on the West. As long as NATO continues to support the Ukrainian war effort, I think Ukraine can stay in the fight. If the political winds change in the West, the outlook for Ukraine would be grim.
As for Russia, that’s harder to say. Yes, they have the advantage in having more bodies to feed the meat grinder. And they have vast reserves of all sorts of military hardware, though those reserves are being drained to the point they’re resorting to things like pulling T-62 tanks out to send to the front. And while they do not have anything like a NATO helping their war effort, it’s come to light China is providing vast quantities of equipment, non-lethal reportedly, but assistance none the less.
I think, in the end, as is the case in all wars of attrition, what it will come down to is a matter of will. Which side has the will to outlast the other? For the Ukrainians that’s largely dependent on NATO. For the Russians, that the Russian people. How long will the Russian people tolerate a grinding war of attrition, especially if it appears the huge losses they’re suffering is not leading to anything meaningful? For the Ukrainians, it’s a simple matter. They’re motivated by the fact they’re fighting for their freedom. Does the average Russian think they’re fighting for their freedom? That’s doubtful, even with Russian propaganda efforts. Russians are not stupid they see what’s happening. So how long will the Russian people tolerate a war of attrition that seems to be not yielding any fruit and is not being fought to protect Russia but to conquer land?
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:44 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:39 am to Darth_Vader
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BREAKING: Cruise missiles have been fired from 12 Russian Tu-95Ms strategic bombers over the Caspian sea, Ukraine's air force reports
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:11 am to Geronimo
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:46 am to ColtRange
Let’s see what happens here.
Could be big news
Could be big news
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:07 am to doubleb
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If things remain equal and neither side is able to dominate the other and gain territory, will Ukraine’s will to survive as a nation outlast Russia’s will to secure Ukraine?
Russia has a MIC and Ukraine does not, Ukraine can have all the will in the world but if this does not wrap up prior to the next US election cycle the gravy train will be derailed.
It is just the nature of our binary political system.
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