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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1370 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:12 pm to
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In my opinion, standing back and doing nothing very well could have kicked off a new world ordered revolving around Moscow and Beijing, and fueled illiberal forces in Europe and America


Seems very Wolfowitzian

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fueled illiberal forces in Europe and America
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Oh please… Bigger more powerful government, particularly globalist power, is as illiberal and anti-freedom as you can get

Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:31 pm to
Stealth aircraft still have radar signatures. This is a secret we guard even with our closest allies
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:33 pm to
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I never said that it did or didn’t have merit. I posed the question because I was curious to see how others answered the question.

Invasions and wars and aggression go on all over the world and have since the beginning of time. I am trying to understand why people are so anxious to spend billions of our tax $$$ and get so deeply involved in this one and why people are so passionately supporting one side instead of being ambivalent or agnostic like so many other conflicts.


So not a serious question since you only wanted to gauge others responses so you could cherry pick from them to push your own slant on things rather than engage in discussion on the merits or lack thereof of Russia's position in invading Ukraine.
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1370 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:43 pm to
[i]Wrong. There were some good and interesting answers. Again I never said I thought it had merit. And I haven’t addressed the issue one way or the other since asking the question

That’s a very different issue than whether our national treasure should be spent on a conflict on the other side of the world regardless of which side is right or wrong…or why people have a such bloodlust (and even put out yard signs for heavens sake). in connection with a foreign conflict that doesn’t involve the US
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:43 pm to
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It is glorious!

Stormy McCain and GOPe-Tiger are absolutely wrecked.


Thank you for confirming your hypocrisy to the thread since needless death only seems reprehensible until it confirms your side of things.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=109016845&s=1&p=101373605

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These Chaim “Bill” Kristol fanbois don’t care. They each wake up multiple times per night and early morning to eagerly check their Ukraine propaganda sites, then rush here to LARP.

Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Christian lads who share nearly identical beliefs and DNA lay maimed or dead.

The posters here are reprehensible.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:44 pm to
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Stealth aircraft still have radar signatures. This is a secret we guard even with our closest allies


We’ve sold the F-35 to like 30 countries
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:44 pm to
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No it is not, but what merits do you see in Russia's position that are not merely a reflection of personal dissatisfaction with your political system or society?


Then answer the question.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:46 pm to
Zero hypocrisy. Russia breaking through is the quickest way to end the war. If you and Biden and the MIC have their way this will be Afghanistan 2.0 and go on for 20 years.

The people calling themselves "conservatives" and supporting this insanity is where the hypocrisy lies. Anything that Biden, WP, CIA and MIC support unanimously is 100% evil. You're on their side on this.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 7:49 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:48 pm to
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Zero hypocrisy. Russia breaking through is the quickest way to end the war. If you and Biden and the MIC have their way this will be Afghankstan 2.0 and go on for 20 years.

The people calling themselves conservatives and supporting this insanity is where the hypocrisy lies.


You didn't say this was the quickest way for the war to end in your post, you were merely expressing glee that others were proven wrong and that you were proven right.

So yes, hypocrisy.

Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5992 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:50 pm to
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Oh please… Bigger more powerful government, particularly globalist power, is as illiberal and anti-freedom as you can get


So a difference of opinion. As they say, that’s what makes horse racing.

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Bigger more powerful government, particularly globalist power, is as illiberal and anti-freedom as you can get


I don’t know what you mean by globalist power. It’s a meaningless statement without further detail. But however you want to define it, it is not as illiberal and anti-freedom as Putinist Russia or Xi’s China. Those two nations are the definition of absolute governmental authority and top down governmental control. That this needs to be said is why I’m glad the barbarians are being kept at bay in Ukraine.
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1370 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:52 pm to
I asked the question and got some interesting responses from people who chose to answer. It’s not up to you to demand that I answer my own question.

I just find the bloodlust and free spending of my money to be very troubling. Glad I don’t have kids that age based on the warmongers on here
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5992 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:07 pm to
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Eh, that’s a stretch in my opinion. If anything we’re just seeing the inevitable death knell of Russia as a power on the global stage. What it has done is show that the west can use its economic and industrial might to at least stop Russia from advancing without using its own militaries


But using its economic and industrial might is definitely doing something. It’s overwhelmingly what we have done and continue to do. If we hadn’t done that, with no sanctions levied, no arms provided, no intelligence shared, Russia may have faltered initially, but would have eventually eaten Ukraine one bite at a time.

In my opinion, we are watching the slow death of Russia because of Western action in this sideshow, and because Ukrainian’s central government stayed. If Zelensky and company flee like the Afghan’s, I think Kyiv falls and its game over before any Western action would be implemented.

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But in my opinion the balance of power left Russian and went to China at least 20 years ago. This is just a very interesting sideshow.


Agree with this. I think China saw Russia as a useful attack dog, and potentially a useful idiot to sow division among the collective, globalist west.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:09 pm to
Could be just the raptor then. I know someone who was involved in training new pilots in FLA. He told me that whenever foreign friends were in for an exercise, the raptors do not fly for this reason
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12598 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:09 pm to
Putin sending his armies back to Russia is the quickest way to end the war right now.

Putin returning all of the kidnapped children to Ukraine is the quickest way to end future hostilities.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16112 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:22 pm to
Dude, it was chemical weapons, not nukes. They didn't even have a nuke reactor.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 8:23 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:23 pm to
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Could be just the raptor then. I know someone who was involved in training new pilots in FLA. He told me that whenever foreign friends were in for an exercise, the raptors do not fly for this reason


I believe that
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:40 pm to
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The Obama administration’s biggest foreign policy failure was the Syrian intervention, which led to the Arab spring and the Libyan civil war.


Arab Spring started first.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:43 pm to
frick. I was worried about my timeline there. Either way the point stands
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:46 pm to
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I asked the question and got some interesting responses from people who chose to answer. It’s not up to you to demand that I answer my own question.

I just find the bloodlust and free spending of my money to be very troubling. Glad I don’t have kids that age based on the warmongers on here


No, it is up to me ask a question in return to a "serious question" which I did as I was similarly, at least then, interested in your perspective.

What was up to you was whether you responded or not and in what manner.

Your evasion in being forth coming and subsequent responses to both my and others responses reveals how shallow your "interest" in perspective is.

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This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 8:47 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:49 pm to
Looking like the mods are gonna have to clean up more troll shite just like a couple of days ago.
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