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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:24 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:24 am to StormyMcMan
Wagner's Grey Zone Telegram calls the Russian government cucks:
LINK
LINK
quote:
"The attack on the Crimean bridge was planned by the American and British intelligence services" - commentary of the Russian Foreign Ministry
Provided that we never strike back after such statements by the Russian Foreign Ministry, and even more so against the United States, Great Britain or the West as a whole, such statements look like some kind of BDSM trolling. Some kind of cuckold position.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 6:26 am
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:50 am to GOP_Tiger
The working theory on Russian channels is that Ukrainian operatives launched the drones from a commercial vessel.
Rybar:
While some channels are suggesting that a vessel operating under the grain deal could be to blame, Rybar dismisses that and suggests that targeting was done from Taman (just on the Russian side of the bridge): LINK
Rybar:
quote:
As for the information of Romanov and Two Majors that at least one unmanned boat was sailing from the Sea of Azov, this is quite real.
In the past few weeks, Ukrainian formations have been practicing launching drones from boats of the Ukrainian naval forces at the mouth of the Danube.
And if the transportation of a surface drone to the coast of the Sea of Azov looks unlikely, then nothing prevented chartering some kind of cargo or merchant vessel for this.
Looking at the resource for tracking ships MarineTraffic, you can see how many ships are in the waters of the Sea of Azov. Potentially one of them could be used for this purpose.
While some channels are suggesting that a vessel operating under the grain deal could be to blame, Rybar dismisses that and suggests that targeting was done from Taman (just on the Russian side of the bridge): LINK
quote:
Vessels have not gone anywhere within the framework of the initiative for a long time.
We already wrote (LINK that the drones struck from the Sea of Azov and the eastern coast of the Black Sea.
Target designation and guidance - according to preliminary information - was carried out from Taman. The working version is that a modified version of the Mantas T12 was used for the attacks, but we do not understand how it was possible to arrange such an explosion with a payload of 64 kg. So, for Mantas, it also needs to be clarified and checked.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:16 am to GOP_Tiger
(Perhaps in response to the attack,) Russia has officially ended the Black Sea grain deal.
The next move in that drama is now up to Erdogan. Will Turkish military vessels escort grain ships to and from Odessa?
The next move in that drama is now up to Erdogan. Will Turkish military vessels escort grain ships to and from Odessa?
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:19 am to GOP_Tiger
I don't believe so. They've been saying for weeks or longer that this would be the case. (Grain deal)
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:32 am to ticklechain
Video of Russian Su-25 crash today
EDIT: another video clearly shows the pilot's parachute: LINK
EDIT 2: the pilot reportedly drowned before rescuers were able to reach him.
EDIT: another video clearly shows the pilot's parachute: LINK
EDIT 2: the pilot reportedly drowned before rescuers were able to reach him.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:50 am to GOP_Tiger
There are probably 100 large merchant vessels within 20 nautical miles of the span. If the Ukrainians can continue to attack from merchant ships, the bridge will become untenable very quickly.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:56 am to Athanatos
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If the Ukrainians can continue to attack from merchant ships, the bridge will become untenable very quickly.
You got a cite for that? I’ve seen no evidence or even supposition that the Ukrainians are attacking anything from merchant ships. This is likely Russian propaganda to justify a merchant ship blockade.
Edit: just noticed that your source is Russian propaganda.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 7:59 am
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:02 am to TBoy
I was just responding to the above quotation.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:37 am to TBoy
It's identified above as Russian Telegram speculation.
And the speculation is that it was a merchant ship in the Sea of Azov -- in Russian-occupied territory.
The speculation is specifically against the idea that the attack came from a ship going to or from Ukraine.
Rybar was suggesting that the attack was carried out from operatives inside Russia.
And the speculation is that it was a merchant ship in the Sea of Azov -- in Russian-occupied territory.
The speculation is specifically against the idea that the attack came from a ship going to or from Ukraine.
Rybar was suggesting that the attack was carried out from operatives inside Russia.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:38 am to GOP_Tiger
Rybar already kiboshed that speculation, anyway
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:57 am to Hateradedrink
Hmm.
quote:
China is ready to join the negotiations on the continuation of the Grain Agreement.
"China hopes that the Black Sea Grain Initiative will continue to be balanced and fully implemented," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning added.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:37 am to TBoy
quote:
You got a cite for that? I’ve seen no evidence or even supposition that the Ukrainians are attacking anything from merchant ships. This is likely Russian propaganda to justify a merchant ship blockade.
Would you blame Ukrainenfor attacking the bridge from merchant ships? I wouldn’t. with the offensive not going well they might see this as on opportunity to put Russia on its heels.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:40 am to TBoy
quote:
? I’ve seen no evidence or even supposition that the Ukrainians are attacking anything from merchant ships
Do you see that as wrong?
Its war, I don't
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I wouldn’t blame them, but the evidence to this point doesn’t suggest it.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:42 am to Hateradedrink
quote:
wouldn’t blame them, but the evidence to this point doesn’t suggest it.
Is there evidence to suggest they didn’t?
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:45 am to Hateradedrink
quote:
I wouldn’t blame them,
its war, its a damn stalemate and they should use every tool they possibly can have.
Non convention is the way to go, you can't worry about the legalists.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Yes actually, even though your point is invalid because “is there evidence there isn’t xyz” is never an argument.
Rybar cited some stuff that indicated the source was from the Russian side but I can’t cite explicitly what he said because I didn’t commit it to memory.
Rybar cited some stuff that indicated the source was from the Russian side but I can’t cite explicitly what he said because I didn’t commit it to memory.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:46 am to GOP_Tiger
Just a random thought
I think part of the grain deal might have been to not attack thar bridge. Grain deal expires, the bridge is attacked. Might be a way to strong arm Russia back to the table.
But I have nothing to back this up other than interesting timing
I think part of the grain deal might have been to not attack thar bridge. Grain deal expires, the bridge is attacked. Might be a way to strong arm Russia back to the table.
But I have nothing to back this up other than interesting timing
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
quote:
wouldn’t blame them, but the evidence to this point doesn’t suggest it.
Is there evidence to suggest they didn’t
Can't really prove a negative
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:48 am to Hateradedrink
So you have no evidence? I should just assume that Russia blew up one of its most crucial bridges? That’s just fricking retarded. I would hope the Ukrainians blew it up because that would indicate they have the capacity to do so.
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