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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:44 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:44 am to GOP_Tiger
Continuing ...
The water in the dam overtopped the dam in mid-May. That should not happen and can cause damage.
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The water in the dam overtopped the dam in mid-May. That should not happen and can cause damage.
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Confirmed over-topping of #KakhovkaHPP dam, water level peaked at 17.5m, now 17.36m.
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The dam had already been damaged in two previous incidents.
- A possible Ukrainian strike in late Oct/Early Nov.
- A likely Russian explosive charge that blew up part of the roadway over the dam on 11 Nov.
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The dam was already under enormous strain and damaged.
Then things got worse. On 2 June, it looks like a road over the dam failed. That could be indicative of a larger structural failure.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:47 am to GOP_Tiger
maybe this is the part in the movie where both side come together to repair the dam and kiss and make up
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:52 am to OutsideObserver
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Would that be this footage? It is being shared around in various clips and stills as proof of such claims but is from November last year.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:07 am to 94LSU
quote:The Dnipro Reservoir provides water to Crimea and to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. Both are under Russian control.
Wapo reported in December that Ukraine had a plan to destroy it and even performed tests. Russia has controlled this dam for several months, they have troops stationed on and all around it. They aren't shelling themselves.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:14 am to joshnorris14
Link at bottom
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At two o'clock in the morning, the Russians blow up the Kakhovskaya HPP, but they don't see how badly. It is not very visible, but it can shine and fly.
1. The Russians still think that they carefully blew up a small part of the HPP and are sinking our military on the islands. At 6:06 a.m., the Gauleiter of Novaya Kakhovka, Leontiev, says that blowing up the HPP is nonsense. Well, we don't know why the water rose there. Here is the link of Ria news LINK
2. Russian OSINT intelligence community Rybar, picks up the thesis and says, detonation of a small area at 6:51 Link LINK
3. At 6:51 a.m. in the new Kakhovka, they see that the dam is full of shite, the mother's strategists begin to realize that they are stuck. The Gauleiter of Novaya Kakhovka sharply changes his rhetoric and says that there was no detonation, then there was already shelling from the Armed Forces. Link LINK
4. But the propagandists who do not yet know what has happened continue to work according to the methods and continue to throw information into the information space about the dam, which was previously shelled, and then it itself got a little tired and broke a little. Here is the post of the propagandist Podolaki LINK . And the propaganda channel War with fakes LINK
5. Other telegram channels that cooperate with the military jump joyfully on one leg, hooray, due to the explosion of the Kakhov dam, the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the islands are being flooded, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to evacuate and save themselves, and then they publish joyful videos of how they inflict damage on the positions of our guys on the islands. 08:25 Links LINK
6. Little by little, it dawns on the Russians that they have created a large-scale man-made ecological disaster, almost as big as Chernobyl. And they are starting to include the rear. Russian influence on the information space is dramatically changing the tone. They instantly change their shoes and begin to accuse the Ukrainian side of provocations. Like, this is an operation of the Bank Link to the same "war on fakes", which said that the dam somehow collapsed by itself... LINK
But even in their excuses, the Rashists still got along. Sometimes the dam was blown up, then they were fired at from the Alkha RZSO... LINK Although any specialist in the field of mines will give a hundred percent guarantee that it is impossible to cause such destruction, here the damage is caused by the method of laying explosives
Well, they are already starting to adhere to this thesis, because what they have created is a huge international tragedy, especially in the ecological sense.
Please share this post.
Source: Kostyantyn Ryzhenka's post
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:16 am to GOP_Tiger
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If you look at the videos coming from the Russian side, all the Russian troops seem shocked.
Perhaps the downstream troops weren’t consulted. Last year Russia blew up the roadway. If that weakened the structure to assist in an unplanned failure, that’s still Russia’s doing. The fact remains that Ukraine does not control the dam.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:19 am to 94LSU
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Wapo reported in December that Ukraine had a plan to destroy it and even performed tests. Russia has controlled this dam for several months, they have troops stationed on and all around it. They aren't shelling themselves.
What a dumb lie. Why don't you read the article that you linked:
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Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.
That's not a plan to blow up the dam. That was a plan to damage one control gate and keep it open to raise the water in the river. Did you not see: "raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages."
Nor did any of the Russian troops report any explosions. If Ukraine had blown the dam, don't you think that Russian troops would have immediately talked about that in their various videos, instead of looking shocked and saying, "wow, look, the dam has collapsed."
The dam was managed from the left bank, which is Russian-controlled territory. The fundamental question that Russia needs to answer is why they allowed the water behind the dam to rise to such unsafe levels that this catastrophe was even possible.
Even in recent days, Ukrainian troops had been conducting operations on the islands in the river downstream and occupying greater parts of those islands. That doesn't make sense if you're about to completely flood those islands underwater.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:19 am to joshnorris14
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No
Cool, then please provide a link to this footage as it would challenge my current thoughts on the situation.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:21 am to 94LSU
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94LSU Member since May 2023 117 posts
Oh look. Another new shill for Russia and China. What time is it where you are?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:24 am to GOP_Tiger
Who does blowing off the damn benefit the most tactically?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:27 am to GeauxxxTigers23
This site is pretty much pro-Russia, but the guy is usually sharp and somewhat fair.
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The destruction of the dam is certainly not to Russia's favor. As the 'western' aligned Moscow Times noted six months ago (link corrected):
In a catastrophic scenario, destroying the dam could send a highly destructive flood wave down the Dnipro River, causing severe flooding in large areas of southern Ukraine. Backswell would also likely flood the Inhulets River, a tributary of the Dnipro.
However, terrain levels mean the flooding would likely be worse on the Russian-held left bank of the Dnipro, making a detonation of explosives on the dam an unlikely move for Moscow.
"[Destroying the dam] would mean Russia essentially blowing its own foot off,” military analyst Michael Kofman said on the War on the Rocks podcast last month.
“[It] would flood the Russian-controlled part of Kherson [region]… much more than the western part that Ukrainians are likely to liberate."
And the secondary effects of blowing the dam could be just as severe for Russia.
Lowering the river level behind the dam threatens both water supplies to Moscow-annexed Crimea and risks cutting off access to cooling water for the Russian-controlled nuclear power plant in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region.
Water from the dam was also used to irrigate the southern Kherson oblast. The lack of water will disable the power generation at the dam which supplied the south.
The flood is likely to dissipate in a week or two but that does not change the major damages to the parts that Russia claims as its own.
The water will then have destroyed Russian mine fields on the left bank (seen from the spring) of the river. This will open routes for Ukrainian troops to cross the river and to attack into the southern Kherson oblast towards Crimea. There have previously reports that the Ukraine received bridging and ferry equipment for exactly this purpose.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:28 am to CitizenK
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The Russians still think that they carefully blew up a small part of the HPP and are sinking our military on the islands
Seems unlikely to me. The dam and its control structure was under Russian control. In theory, Russia could have simply opened more of the floodgates if they wanted to raise the water in the river and damage Ukrainian positions on the islands.
I suppose it's possible that the control structure had been damaged by previous strikes, and Russia was no longer able to control the operation of the dam.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:30 am to TBoy
quote:Yikes!
Last year Russia blew up the roadway.
Really?
The same roadway Ukrainian Major General Kovalchuk bragged about blowing up with HIMARS?
You know, it's one thing to believe propaganda. It's quite another to continue to believe it after the issuing side admits it was BS.
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Russia had to arm and feed its forces via three crossings: the Antonovsky Bridge, the Antonovsky railway bridge and the Nova Kakhovka dam, part of a hydroelectric facility with a road running on top of it.
The two bridges were targeted with U.S.-supplied M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems — or HIMARS launchers, which have a range of 50 miles — and were quickly rendered impassable.
“There were moments when we turned off their supply lines completely, and they still managed to build crossings,” Kovalchuk said. “They managed to replenish ammunition. … It was very difficult.”
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:31 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Who does blowing off the damn benefit the most tactically?
I think everyone is still trying to figure that out. I can think of several ways that it could benefit either side.
But honestly, none of those tactical advantages seem big enough to justify blowing the dam. Which is part of why I don't think it was intentional.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:41 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:... which Ukraine initially blamed on Russia ... just as they are doing now.
That's not a plan to blow up the dam. That was a plan to damage one control gate and keep it open to raise the water in the river. Did you not see: "raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages."
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:42 am to GOP_Tiger
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With the water behind the dam at such unsafe, high level, the dam would have been under extraordinary pressure. And we know that Russian and Ukrainian troops were firing at each other across the river. One stray artillery shell hitting a support on the dam might have been all that was necessary to cause the collapse.
Y'all can call me crazy if you like, but I believe that the destruction of the dam is likely accidental.
I'm in the indirect/accidental box still too.
I am keen to see what a construction engineer makes of the existing damage from prior strikes and how this could have interacted with the drop to low water levels earlier this year that then reportedly built up to be dangerously high enough to pour over the top.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:42 am to GOP_Tiger
Here's a LINK to a Russian soldier talking about how he's been saying for months that they should blow the dam, and now the khohols can't cross the Dnipro like they planned.
He smirks as he says "I won't say who blew it up." but I don't think he actually knows.
It's worth watching, but I personally don't consider this video as damning as other people do. This particular soldier seems to me to simply assume that his own side blew it up for their tactical benefit.
He smirks as he says "I won't say who blew it up." but I don't think he actually knows.
It's worth watching, but I personally don't consider this video as damning as other people do. This particular soldier seems to me to simply assume that his own side blew it up for their tactical benefit.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:43 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:You're kidding, right?
I think everyone is still trying to figure that out
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:46 am to GOP_Tiger
Interesting twitter thread by Malcontent News who seems to agree with GOPTiger on this one. Twitter link With images and prior reports, they see the clear possibility that negligence by the Russians in their operation of the dam is the culprit, as opposed to the use of explosives.
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