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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
Russian milhelipilot channel
Translation:
Translation:
quote:
Unfortunately, yesterday we lost our comrades.
Eternal flight, brothers.
Yesterday's information on the Mi-8 and Mi-24 was stuffed.
According to the "drying", the night before yesterday, unfortunately not stuffing. The pilot has not yet been found.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:19 pm
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
Off-topic, but that ain't right.
"Yes sir, General Admiral."
That man joined the wrong branch of service.
"Yes sir, General Admiral."
That man joined the wrong branch of service.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:02 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:24 pm to GOP_Tiger
Daily reporting (weekday) on The Telegraph about this.
Per them such incursions have been quite common for sometime and this one was meant to be made public. Also, Russian milbloggers were all about panic (like Politards) and talked this up as being bigger than it was.
Pretty much what it has appeared to be to me.
Per them such incursions have been quite common for sometime and this one was meant to be made public. Also, Russian milbloggers were all about panic (like Politards) and talked this up as being bigger than it was.
Pretty much what it has appeared to be to me.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:25 pm to CitizenK
FWIW, an oft times partner of mine is from England and I enjoy hearing their speech patterns, inflections and some of their sayings. Last week was "I had a royal moment" when the speaker stumbled.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
"Major General Kevin Admiral"
Shades of Major Major Major.
Shades of Major Major Major.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:51 pm to CitizenK
quote:
and this one was meant to be made public
I am wondering about this. Kind of reaks of some type of intelligence operation.
- put on by Ukraine as a diversion?
- put on by Ukraine for PR to counter act some of the talk of Bakhmut.
- put on or at least played up by Russia for a "rally to the flag" effect.
- put on or at least played up by Russia to show western arms used in Russia proper to attempt to stop aid.
I Don't know but something about the reports and the story seem "Funny" and hard to believe to me.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:52 pm to joemuggs
Partisan activity by Russians has been going on all over Russia for a year. This is nothing new, just made public for once.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:54 pm to joemuggs
One of the Russian milbloggers was claiming the Russian Legion is run by the SAS.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:11 pm to joemuggs
Taking the translation at face value, it looks like returning to former Soviet Russia isn't enough for Putin.
He actually wants to go back to a 17th century Tsardom. Old maps are now justification for starting invasions or claiming former lands. If that is the case I can think of several countries on continental Europe and from central Asia who might like to whip out some old maps and show them to Russia.
War Translated - https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1661043248402399238 - Video
It is odd that he chose a 17th century map as justification for Ukraine as Russia did not gain a significant foothold on the territory that Ukraine now encompasses till the later half of the 17th century with defeats of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
It then wasn't till the very late 18th century they actually held the entirety of it after Catherine the Great annexed the Crimean peninsula in 1783 due to internal strife caused by actions to align the Crimean Khanate with Russia rather than Turkish empire, and with the last 2 divisions of an essentially vassalised Poland in 1791 and 1795 between Russia, Prussia and Austria.
Edit: Clarity
He actually wants to go back to a 17th century Tsardom. Old maps are now justification for starting invasions or claiming former lands. If that is the case I can think of several countries on continental Europe and from central Asia who might like to whip out some old maps and show them to Russia.
War Translated - https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1661043248402399238 - Video
It is odd that he chose a 17th century map as justification for Ukraine as Russia did not gain a significant foothold on the territory that Ukraine now encompasses till the later half of the 17th century with defeats of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
It then wasn't till the very late 18th century they actually held the entirety of it after Catherine the Great annexed the Crimean peninsula in 1783 due to internal strife caused by actions to align the Crimean Khanate with Russia rather than Turkish empire, and with the last 2 divisions of an essentially vassalised Poland in 1791 and 1795 between Russia, Prussia and Austria.
Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:24 pm to joemuggs
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The Russian Ministry of Defense has released Footage that is reported to show Colonel-General Aleksandr Lapin leading the Advance by Russian Military and Security Forces with Light-Armor Support from at least 4 BMP-1/2s on the Grayvoron Border Checkpoint earlier today.
He strangely appears to be be Wearing a Patch with the Soviet Union Flag where his Russian Federation Flag should be.
LINK
quote:
Russian Ministry of Defence released footage of the Belgorod raid and how it came under fire.
As always they aren't showing corpses of the dead, but those are out there, including one that is entirely burnt. Due to twitter's rules on gore I will not be posting that one.
And video of the area showcasing that it is firmly in hands of the Russians.
Many dead and wounded for a PR stunt because they really don't like having lost Bakhmut.
As we have shown the claim of stealing a jamming truck are false
We have no images of bridges, factories train tracks or anything being blown up
At most they managed to steal a BTR-82 from a repair shop.
For that they lost multiple vehicles and a dozen men.
Not really worth it
LINK
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:32 pm to OutsideObserver
quote:
He actually wants to go back to a 17th century Tsardom.
This is nothing new. I tend to take people at their word, when they spend years saying the same things. Its not like he's held back in saying what the natural borders of Russia would be-- I mean, this is a guy who in 2019 put in an English language Foreign Affairs journal, in plain words, his belief in non-sovereignty of Ukraine.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:23 pm to OutsideObserver
When Kaliningrad was part of Prussia? Then St. Petersburg was part of Sweden. BTW, Russia only held a small position on the Black Sea then.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:29 pm to BoardReader
New Prigozhin video is out. LINK
quote:
"Today, I think that Ukraine is one of the strongest armies. They have a high organization level, a high level of training, high level of reconnaissance. They have diverse equipment, and moreover, they operate any system: Soviet, NATO, anything, with similar success. And they feel very philosophically about the losses they are taking. For them, everything goes to reach the supreme goal, like us in the Great Patriotic War, but more technological and more organized.
That is what we got with the dimilitarization of the Ukrainian army.
The speech was longer than that. From Telegram, I also get:
quote:
"it was done for the sake of denazification...And we made Ukraine a nation that is known all over the world, we legitimized it..."
Prigozhin also raved about demilitarization: "if they had 500 tanks at the beginning of the special operation, now they have five thousand. If 20,000 soldiers knew how to fight then, now 400,000. How did we demilitarize it? Now, on the contrary, we militarized Ukraine - who knows how - militarized Ukraine."
Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
New Prigozhin video is out
Sounds like he has grown fond of the Ukrainians.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:04 pm to TBoy
He and Girkin/Strelkov (even though they hate each other) are the only people in Russia who understand the scale of Russia's strategic defeat.
Even if Russia were now to miraculously complete the conquest of the Donbas, and Russia were able to completely defeat the upcoming Ukrainian offensive ... Russia would still emerge from the war much weaker than when it went in, with much stronger enemies all around it. However the war ends, Ukraine will emerge from it as a powerful adversary, with one of Europe's strongest militaries. When you combine that with Finland (and eventually Sweden) joining NATO, and then when you add the massive increases in defense spending from NATO nations such as Poland -- it adds up to put Russia in a far less secure spot for the long term.
Even if Russia were now to miraculously complete the conquest of the Donbas, and Russia were able to completely defeat the upcoming Ukrainian offensive ... Russia would still emerge from the war much weaker than when it went in, with much stronger enemies all around it. However the war ends, Ukraine will emerge from it as a powerful adversary, with one of Europe's strongest militaries. When you combine that with Finland (and eventually Sweden) joining NATO, and then when you add the massive increases in defense spending from NATO nations such as Poland -- it adds up to put Russia in a far less secure spot for the long term.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
So just a wild thought but could the West just pay Wagner boatloads of money to turn on the Russians?
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
Meduza:
quote:
Belgorod governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said during a livestream on Russian social media network VKontakte that he has many questions for Russia’s Defense Ministry regarding yesterday’s armed attack on the border region.
One viewer asked the governor why “the enemy can get practically to the regional center on tanks” despite the authorities’ reassurances that “everything is under control.” “Why is the border full of holes? Is it really impossible to ask the Defense Ministry to step up regional security if it’s so bad here?” the viewer asked.
Gladkov answered that he “agreed” with the person who asked the question, and that the authorities should ensure the safety of the region’s residents.
"I agree with you, and I have more questions than you do for the Defense Ministry. For that reason I don’t want to comment, because I think it’s improper. We need to draw conclusions from the mistakes that were permitted. The security of Belgorod residents is the main task for all of law enforcement."
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:47 pm to SiriusBraveFan
quote:
So just a wild thought but could the West just pay Wagner boatloads of money to turn on the Russians?
First of all, could you trust them? Hell no.
Second hasn’t russian basically given prigozhin various mines, oil fields etc in the areas they have conquered? Their tie to the Russian state is worth hundreds of millions per year I suspect.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:33 pm to SiriusBraveFan
quote:
Key Takeaways
Russian authorities ended the “counterterrorism” operation in Belgorod Oblast and claimed to have defeated the all-Russian pro-Ukrainian Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) and the Freedom of Russia Legion (LSR) in the region on May 23.
Russian forces likely pushed the RDK and LSR forces at least to the Kozinka border settlement and possibly out of Russian territory as of May 23.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted raids across the Kharkiv-Belgorod border on May 23, but ISW has observed no confirmation that these raids occurred.
Ukrainian officials stated that the pace of fighting in the Bakhmut direction has decreased amid continued limited Ukrainian counterattacks on Bakhmut’s flanks on May 23.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian forces continued offensive operations on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Russian forces continued defensive operations in southern Ukraine ahead of the planned Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Pardoned Wagner Group convicts continue to commit crimes in Russia after finishing their military contracts with Wagner.
Zaporizhia Oblast occupation officials announced the start of preliminary voting for the ruling United Russia party.
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