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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:21 am to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 5/1/23 at 11:21 am to JayDeerTay84
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Just type in Pavlograd in twitter and you can see the uh, air defense in action......
Try to keep up. That hit was discussed here a bunch. It was easier in the day. The response the tard above you was referring to was the big missile launch from last night. This was a failure in Russias part
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:00 pm to notiger1997
It's entirely possible that the chemical plant was still producing some chemicals that Ukraine was using to build weapons, so I obviously can't say that the attack was ineffective, but the attack has been geolocated to the chemical plant and not to the railroad junction, so we know that the explosion was of the ancient Soviet rockets, and not air defense systems at the railroad junction.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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MCCARTHY to Russian reporter: “I support aid to Ukraine. I do not support what your country has done to Ukraine, or your killing of children. The rest of the world sees it for what it is.”
Quality statement from the Speaker.
Edit: LINK
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
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@JenniferJJacobs
Based on intelligence info, Russia has suffered more than 100,000 casualties in Bakhmut in last few months--80,000 wounded and 20,000 killed since December, NSC spokesman John Kirby says. Prigozhin's claim Wagner Group's had only 94 killed in action "is just a ludicrous claim."
Prigozhin claims Wagner Group has had 94 killed in action; US intel says about 10,000 Wagner fighters have been killed in Bakhmut alone, and since December alone, White House's John Kirby tells us.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:13 pm to Decatur
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@michaeldweiss
To put this in perspective, the Pentagon assessment of *total* Russian casualties, as per Discord Leaks, was "35,500-43,000 KIA and 154,000-180,000 WIA" as of Jan/Feb 2023. These figures look incredibly conservative given this new intelligence.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:33 pm to notiger1997
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Try to keep up. That hit was discussed here a bunch. It was easier in the day. The response the tard above you was referring to was the big missile launch from last night. This was a failure in Russias part
Yea. So they selectively uh, use air defense huh?
You guys are a hoot. Let me guess, Ukraine shot down 100 of 50 launched again?
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:34 pm to Decatur
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Russia has suffered more than 100,000 casualties in Bakhmut in last few months--80,000 wounded and 20,000 killed since December, NSC spokesman John Kirby says. Prigozhin's claim Wagner Group's had only 94 killed in action "is just a ludicrous claim."
Prigozhin claims Wagner Group has had 94 killed in action; US intel says about 10,000 Wagner fighters have been killed in Bakhmut alone, and since December alone, White House's John Kirby tells us.
Kirby's statement doesn't quite make sense, as they can't have had 20,000 KIA since December in Bakhmut and also 10,000 KIA since December in Bakhmut. The numbers of 20,000 KIA and 80,000 WIA since December must refer to the entire conflict, not just Bakhmut.
Still, those are tremendous losses.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
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as they can't have had 20,000 KIA since December in Bakhmut and also 10,000 KIA since December in Bakhmut.
I read that as 10k Wagner plus 10k Russian regulars.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 1:51 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Let me guess, Ukraine shot down 100 of 50 launched again?
Ukraine claimed to have shot down 15 out of 18, which would imply that 3 hit somewhere. I don't know where those three hits are. Maybe one of them is the Pavlograd chemical plant, which was really hit earlier in the day, but maybe Ukraine is including it in the 18 missiles.
Ukraine's air defense has problems, because it's running out of rockets for its Soviet-era systems. For example, we saw a photo a few weeks ago of an Osa system that was only loaded with two rockets, instead of the usual six. And the two that were loaded were painted a desert tan color, because one of Ukraine's allies helped get some older rockets from Jordan. The older rockets, though, only hit about 50% of their targets, which is obviously much less than the 80% of the more modern rockets that Ukraine is essentially out of.
So, Ukraine is integrating Western air defense systems that are elite, such as Patriot, IRIS-T, SAMP-T, NASAMS, etc., but there are still far too few of these systems. And the older NATO systems that are being sent have mostly not arrived yet---the US promised Ukraine some old HAWK systems, but the refurbishment of them isn't complete yet, much less getting Ukrainians trained on the system and transporting it.
Ukraine is a large country, so it simply doesn't have enough air defense systems to defend both its front lines and its major cities. It's been using its jets to help out, as the Ukrainian air force has shot down a number of Russian missiles.
But everyone from Zelensky to Sec. Austin to all the military experts all agree that more air defense systems is Ukraine's biggest need.
Is anyone here actually bragging about how awesome Ukraine's air defense systems are? I think you may have come here with the wrong impression.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:04 pm to Lakeboy7
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Thanks IA SPC….
Is this supposed to be a dig for the enlisted folks? I thought you guys were true patriots.
Sorry though, wrong branch!
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Is anyone here actually bragging about how awesome Ukraine's air defense systems are? I think you may have come here with the wrong impression.
He’d obviously trolling. Let him go quietly, He isn’t providing any nee information, and he isn’t interested in a real discussion of the events of the day.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:53 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
WSJ reporter Yaroslav Trofimov:
I would bet anything that these numbers from the Pentagon are "low confidence," just like the numbers from the Teixeira leaks.
WSJ reporter Yaroslav Trofimov:
quote:(Note: Kirby's statement would actually be a 1-4 ratio.)
The 1-5 KIA-WIA ratio for Wagner in Bakhmut doesn’t sound plausible. Having talked to captured Wagner medevac staff, it was closer to 1-to-1.
I would bet anything that these numbers from the Pentagon are "low confidence," just like the numbers from the Teixeira leaks.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 2:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It's entirely possible that the chemical plant was still producing some chemicals that Ukraine was using to build weapons,
On Google Earth, it pretty much looks overgrown but offices occupied. Ammonium perchlorate composite is the chemical. They may be importing the chemical then casting it after mixing binders and powdered aluminum. The reactions to make it could be in buildings there, but we are talking about a VERY corrosive acid and ammonia involved. Ammonia would be via pressurized tank car.
Edit: There are what looks like abandoned railcars on overgrown tracks. Looks like quite an operation 35 years ago, but most is just a pile of rust now. There are what looks like some active areas scattered in the site.
This post was edited on 5/1/23 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/1/23 at 4:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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@shashj
John Kirby caused a lot of confusion with his remarks today. To clarify: he did not say Russia had suffered 20k killed in Bakhmut since Dec, as was originally reported. He said (????) that was figure across all fronts, but half was Wagner & most of Wagner was convicts in Bakhmut.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 5:16 pm to Decatur
Thanks. That makes a lot more sense.
Posted on 5/1/23 at 5:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
Anyone see the one minute long version of the big boom yesterday or the day before? Damn, this is what I imagine a nuke looks like going off. Friggin huge
Posted on 5/1/23 at 5:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
Has anyone else seen the minute long version of the big boom yesterday or the day before? Friggin huge. Looked like a nuke
Posted on 5/1/23 at 7:07 pm to ticklechain
ChrisO_wiki thread on possible UA offensive strategy
Admittedly long but really good. He’s suggesting what I thought weeks back, but with way more detail and work done on his part. More detailed knowledge on his part is a given compared to me.
TLDR: Ukrainian offensive South to Melitopol utilizing a 3 pronged attack over a 70 km wide lane of attack. 3 prongs: Vasylivka, Tokmak, and Polohy then converging on Melitopol. He gives troop and equipment needs and potential precursor missile strikes to support initiative.
Admittedly long but really good. He’s suggesting what I thought weeks back, but with way more detail and work done on his part. More detailed knowledge on his part is a given compared to me.
TLDR: Ukrainian offensive South to Melitopol utilizing a 3 pronged attack over a 70 km wide lane of attack. 3 prongs: Vasylivka, Tokmak, and Polohy then converging on Melitopol. He gives troop and equipment needs and potential precursor missile strikes to support initiative.
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