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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/7/23 at 6:29 pm to
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 6:29 pm to
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Russians seem to be an extremely paranoid population, from top to bottom of the food chain. You could make them believe anything as their news media does on a routine basis. It much more outrageous than our own news media, even MSNBC.


Lol you said Nigerian divers attacked the pipeline, now this?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 6:31 pm to
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Lol you said Nigerian divers attacked the pipeline,


Nope but I will say that you are the typical politard. Which trailer park do you live in?
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 6:35 pm to
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by CitizenK


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Nigeria could have done it. Hell, Nigeria is making bank on LNG sales.


Hmm.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:03 pm to
More analysis of the document from the pro-Russia @LogKa11:

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One of the documents also state that the Ukrainian 82nd Brigade will receive the 14 British Challenger 2 tanks and 40 German Marder IFVs.

The 33rd Brigade will receive majority of the Leopard 2A4, A5 and A6 tanks.

On the J4 Logistics part, it’s a bit blurry, but it seems to say that Ukraine has expended over 953k artillery shells and over 9500 Himars GMLRS rockets. It could be true as the US had already made over 50k GMLRS by 2021.

It also says that Ukraine uses ~2750 artillery shells per week and 14~GMLRS per week. This is likely referring to the usage rate for February and not for the whole war.

Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:11 pm to
If the Ukes have only spent 953K artillery shells and 9500 HIMARS rockets so far then I think that is a very reasonable number. As for the Russians knowing the units with the tanks yeah that’s info you’d rather keep secret but it won’t make any difference as far as combat capability.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:32 pm to
I haven't commented on these documents yet because I am waiting for more information to come out on their bonifides.

They look and feel authentic to me. Very interesting information, it makes me less bullish on the Ukrainian offensive's chances. Some of these munition levels are very low to sustain a high-velocity offensive.

If these are real, this certainly doesn't do anything positive for Ukraine. Its really an intelligence disaster for them.

Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:35 pm to
Sounds like Bakhmut is about to fall, nothing official but a lot of optimism coming from Russian channels tonight.



This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 7:37 pm
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:42 pm to
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Nigerian divers


They do have lots of pipelines along their coast as well as oil and gas platforms all over. I’m not sure they specifically have their own divers, but I’m sure there are plenty based there that are under contract with the national oil company.

And no I’m not implying that any from Nigeria were involved.
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:44 pm to
Britain is sending some of their Scorpion reconnaissance vehicles to Ukraine. I’m pretty sure they have already received some of these a few months ago but looks like more are on the way.

LINK
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:57 pm to
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And no I’m not implying that any from Nigeria were involved


No one implied that but some have poor reading comprehension. One needs 3rd grade proficiency to get a job in one of the plants. Many politards cannot achieve that, or so it seems
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:03 pm to
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Many politards cannot achieve that, or so it seems


Low IQ and the emotional stability of a 10 year old. Bad combination for many of them
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:04 pm to
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No one implied that


You suggested it was them because they’re into that and benefit them. You’ve made many posts defending yourself.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:09 pm to
It is hard to understand how something like that could be leaked to a Minecraft Discord. Crazy how inept our government is.
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 11:09 pm
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:11 pm to
There was talk awhile back they (govt) was using a Star Wars game. It was also revealed in house hearing for Twitter files govt agencies & Twitter were using non known programs for communications.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:13 pm to
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It is hard to understand how something like that could be leaked to a Minecraft Discord.


It's actually not too difficult to understand. When you are given a clearance, a certain level of trust is assigned to you. Since the government can't monitor everything everyone is doing at a given time while working in a secure facility, it is up to individual employees to report any suspicious behavior. Sometimes nefarious people manage to fly under the radar and sneak classified information out into the wild.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:25 pm to
isw

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Russian milbloggers responded with speculative anxiety to reportedly leaked (and possibly altered) classified US military documents about the war in Ukraine, indicating continued fear over the prospect of future Ukrainian counteroffensives in the Russian information space. The New York Times reported on April 6 that a slate of five-week-old, classified US military documents are circulating on various social media platforms, reportedly depicting operational reports and assessments of the capabilities of the Ukrainian military.[1] Bellingcat analyst Aric Toler noted that the documents circulated online as early as March 4, and it remains unclear why these documents reached mainstream Western media over a month later.[2] Clearly doctored versions of the documents which reduce reported Russian losses and inflate Ukrainian casualty numbers are additionally circulating on Russian Telegram channels.

Regardless of the veracity of the reportedly leaked documents, which ISW will not speculate on, the response of Russian milbloggers to the New York Times story highlights the fear of prospective Ukrainian counteroffensives pervading the Russian pro-war information space. While several prominent Russian milbloggers immediately rejected the validity of the documents and suggested that they are fakes, they fixated on the possibility that the released documents are disinformation intended to confuse and mislead Russian military command.[3] One milblogger stated that the document leak could be part of a larger Ukrainian campaign to mislead Russian forces before a counteroffensive.[4] Another Russian milblogger noted that there is historical precedent for militaries disseminating false planning information prior to starting surprise offensives.[5] The milblogger urged their audience to be cautious in discussing where Ukrainian counteroffensives may take place due to document leak.[6] The New York Times story has therefore exposed a significant point of neuralgia in the Russian information space, and responses to the documents suggest that Russian milbloggers may be increasingly reconsidering the validity of their own assessments and speculations regarding any potential Ukrainian counteroffensives and their ability to forecast Ukrainian operations.


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The Kremlin continues to indicate that it is not interested in legitimate negotiations and places the onus for any negotiations on the West. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated at a press conference in Ankara, Turkey on April 7 that Russia does not refuse to negotiate but that negotiations can only be based on Russia’s claimed “legitimate” interests and concerns.[7] Lavrov claimed the West has arrogantly ignored Russia’s interests ”with disdain.”[8] The Kremlin retains Putin’s original maximalist goals for the war in Ukraine and maintains that Russia’s ”legitimate” interests include international recognition of Russia’s illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory, regime change in Kyiv under Russia‘s calls for ”denazification,” and the ”demilitarization” of Ukraine.[9] Concerns about losing more occupied territory in Ukraine during an expected upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive may be prompting the Kremlin to intensify an ongoing information operation intended to pressure the West to offer preemptive concessions and coerce Ukraine into negotiations on conditions more favorable to Russia


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A Ukrainian official reported that Russian aviation units are changing tactics, possibly due to aviation losses and depleted stocks of high-precision weapons. Ukrainian Air Force Spokesperson Yuri Ihnat reported on April 7 that Russian aviation units are reducing their operations in the immediate vicinity of Ukrainian positions and are increasingly relying on more remote aviation strikes with guided aerial bombs.[11] Ihnat stated that Russian Su-35 aircraft can use these munitions from more than 50km away from the line of contact and that Ukrainian forces are unable to drive Russian aviation units away from Ukraine’s borders at this range.[12] These modified aerial bombs are likely less precise than other munitions that Russian aviation units have previously used in Ukraine.


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Former Russian proxy commander and prominent critical milblogger Igor Girkin revealed on April 7 that a volunteer battalion that he previously actively promoted is essentially a sham. Girkin posted an angry rant to Telegram on April 7 claiming that the “Nevsky” volunteer battalion that he advertised throughout 2022 has deployed as a “brigade” consisting of three battalions and 1,186 total personnel.[13] A single Russian battalion typically consists of around 800-900 personnel, so Girkin’s remark suggests that ”Nevsky’s” leadership sought to erroneously portray the volunteer battalion as a larger formation by designating it as a brigade. Girkin noted that ”’Nevsky” deployed to the frontline near Avdiivka with the forces of a ”reinforced company” without promised equipment or training and quickly found itself conducting costly assaults.[14] Girkin accused ”Nevsky’s” commander of being more interested in ”political and commercial machinations” and suggested that ”Nevsky” was created for the sole purpose of generating profit.[15] Girkin’s tirade against a formation that he once ardently supported suggests that even volunteer formations held in high regard face corruption and training issues that are endemic to the Russian force generation apparatus.


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High-ranking Russian officials including ministers and department heads can reportedly only leave Russia with permission from Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin. Independent Russian news outlet The Bell reported on April 7 that Mishustin restricted international travel by his subordinates to official business and with his permission.[16] The Bell reported that employees of the presidential administration are not subject to the same travel restrictions.


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Key Takeaways

Russian milbloggers responded with speculative anxiety to reportedly leaked (and possibly altered) classified US military documents about the war in Ukraine, indicating continued fear over the prospect of future Ukrainian counteroffensives in the Russian information space.

The Kremlin continues to indicate that it is not interested in legitimate negotiations while placing the onus for negotiations on the West.

A Ukrainian official reported that Russian aviation units are changing tactics, possibly as a result of aviation losses and depleted stocks of high-precision weapons.

High-ranking Russian officials reportedly can only leave Russia with permission from Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin.

Former Russian officer and prominent critical milblogger Igor Girkin revealed on April 7 that a volunteer battalion that he previously promoted is essentially a sham.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces continued advancing in and around Bakhmut and continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City frontline.

Russian forces continue to build defenses in occupied Zaporizhia and Kherson oblasts.

Russian officials continue measures to support Russia’s ongoing spring conscription cycle amid continued crypto-mobilization efforts.

Russian occupation officials are accelerating passportization efforts in occupied Ukraine.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:26 pm to
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It's actually not too difficult to understand. When you are given a clearance, a certain level of trust is assigned to you. Since the government can't monitor everything everyone is doing at a given time while working in a secure facility, it is up to individual employees to report any suspicious behavior. Sometimes nefarious people manage to fly under the radar and sneak classified information out into the wild.


They shouldn't even allow people with access to this stuff to have Discord.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:29 pm to
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Sounds like Bakhmut is about to fall, nothing official but a lot of optimism coming from Russian channels tonight.



I don't know if "fall" is the right word. Russia has been gradually pushing Ukraine out of Bakhmut, while Ukraine has been conducting an active defense.

Russia already controls most of Bakhmut, and they will likely push Ukraine out of the rest of the city in the next few days.

Ukraine has full control over its southern flank and the 0504 road out, so they are no longer concerned with encirclement. They are making Russia/Wagner take the city the hard way.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:35 pm to
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A lot of the leaked stuff is really bad. I honestly think it's authentic. I just don't see why this kind of a document would be faked. And if the CIA was going to do some kind of disinfo campaign, I doubt that they would try to do so through a Minecraft Discord channel.


I have to agree it looks authentic and doesn't paint a flattering picture, however the timeline of this being "discovered" is very convenient when coupled with how quickly it appears to have been confirmed as genuine by various agencies or outlets once it became more mainstream news, especially considering the pending offensive. Given it's undesirable outlook in many aspects at that point in time it does lend credence to why the offensive has not kicked off yet (other than weather conditions).

I do applaud your work in following those who tracked it down as either way it is an incredible story of either very good disinformation or a blaring failure of security. Considering it's purported origins I do wonder if, in the case of a security breach, it comes back to some intelligence analysts kid getting into things they should not have.


Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 8:38 pm
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:37 pm to
Stormy, I appreciate what you add to the thread with these updates.
Could you maybe start just copying and pasting the key takeaways and not the whole thing?
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