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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:56 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:56 am to imjustafatkid
We have already succeed in these goals.
Russia's armed forces have been exposed, and no longer have the capability for serious offensives. The Bakhmut meat grinder is a pale shadow of what they were capable of at the beginning of the war.
The destruction of Nordstream and the severing of ties between Europe and Russia has made Europe dependent on us for energy needs, this will bear much fruit when the "nine dash line" is ours.
Russia's armed forces have been exposed, and no longer have the capability for serious offensives. The Bakhmut meat grinder is a pale shadow of what they were capable of at the beginning of the war.
The destruction of Nordstream and the severing of ties between Europe and Russia has made Europe dependent on us for energy needs, this will bear much fruit when the "nine dash line" is ours.
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Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:56 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Says who?
Reality. We haven't removed Russia's influence in Europe, because unwillingness to use our own oil requires everyone who wants oil to still deal with them. Now they're forming alliances with the other oil-producing nations of the world that will only exacerbate this problem. The only measures by which they've been weakened all rely on the belief that the West is required for any nation to be strong.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:57 am to Tornado Alley
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$76.8 billion
Indeed, I'm very pleased with how little we've spent.
Compared to the Iraq War and Afghanistan, this is a bargain.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:58 am to BambiisDead
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Russia's armed forces have been exposed, and no longer have the capability for serious offensives.
This is complete nonsense.
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the severing of ties between Europe and Russia has made Europe dependent on us for energy needs
Well, this could have been a win but we weakened our own ability to claim it, so it actually hasn't happened.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:58 am to imjustafatkid
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Why are you under the impression that Russia wanted anything more than Ukraine?
I never intimated they did, but since you brought it up; how can you believe their end game was only to conquer Ukraine. After all they have been the most aggressive nation in Eastern Europe for decades.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:59 am to imjustafatkid
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China and Russia were not strong allies prior to this.
They still aren’t. They are nominally aligned. China would love to see Russia fail imo. China trusts no one but China.
Russia can have Iran and North Korea. If that scares you, I don’t know what to tell you.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:59 am to doubleb
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I never intimated they did
Yes you did. You compared them to Japan and Germany in WW2. If you don't believe they intend to invade anyone other than Ukraine, then that comparison makes no sense.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 9:59 am to imjustafatkid
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Of course you are.
You have nothing to back that up.
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And this proves it.
Ok. I guess all the hijacking comments like "Is Zelensky in Moscow yet" or "Is Ukraine winning yet" are all intended for rational, good faith discussion.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:00 am to imjustafatkid
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quote:Russia's armed forces have been exposed, and no longer have the capability for serious offensives. This is complete nonsense.
Lol. Show us all the progress russia has made on a map in the last year. They’re progressing a few miles every month at the expense of thousands of soldiers. No one is afraid of Russia anymore.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:00 am to REG861
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They still aren’t. They are nominally aligned. China would love to see Russia fail imo. China trusts no one but China.
They are much stronger allies than they were prior to this. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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. Russia did not invade Ukraine with the goal of fighting the USA. We are doing the exact same stupid crap that kept us in the Middle East for decades.
No they didn’t.
Correct, Russia didn't force us to do a damn thing.
russia had a coice in attacking Ukraine
The US and the West had a choice to support ukraine, and then the choice on how to support . first was sanctions, and now they are ramping up with more and larger military supplies and equipment.
the USSR invaded afghanastan in the '70s/80's not with the goal to fight the US, but we supplied the opposition with arms
And this is not the only "proxy war" between the us and the UUSR/Russia. the Korean war was a proxy. US troops died from russian military equipment (even some russian pilots) Vietnam, US troops were killed by russian and Chinese military supplies.
bottom line is russia planned the invasion of Ukraine long before 2022 and had been fighting in Ukraine since 2008.
Russia saw weakness of resolve in the US and NATO/West and calculated the risk of the west getting involved was less then the potential reward. Russia figured that would create a land bridge to Odessa and force the govenrment in KVIV to fall after surrounding it. and that the west would push sanctions but as in the past would have little effect.
Russia miscaluclated on a number of fronts. 1) on quick achievement of goals in Ukraine 2) on sanctions having little effect (with conflict still ongoing after a year) 3) on Ukraine's determination and resolve to fight 4) on the west uniting with support and sending modern military aide.
Russia didnt have to attack, they were not forced to attack either....they made the decision to regardless of the potential consequences. and now two more neighbors are seeking entrance to NATO as a result.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:00 am to Pettifogger
quote:Can you just state exactly what the frick you want so we can get out of the spiderman pointing meme?
They're inseparable and you very well know that. Pretending "if Congress would get off its arse and start delivering ________" oh and "here's a comment by a politician on that topic" isn't political but "This may be a bridge too far for the US because down the line I can see ________" is political is just patently absurd.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:00 am to REG861
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Lol. Show us all the progress russia has made on a map in the last year. They’re progressing a few miles every month at the expense of thousands of soldiers. No one is afraid of Russia anymore.
This is how wars work.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:01 am to imjustafatkid
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This is complete nonsense.
Every military expert worth their salt disagrees with you.
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Well, this could have been a win but we weakened our own ability to claim it, so it actually hasn't happened.
Your not thinking ahead. This war is just the opening phase of confronting China. Europe shall become egaer customers once China is dealt with.
The severing of political ties with Russia was a stepping stone to creating European customers for the nine dash line.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:02 am to Pettifogger
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I certainly agree. Honestly, if I heard more voice given to the very realistic - perhaps even likely - possibility that we've also miscalculated and will inevitably have a costly disentanglement down the line, I'd have much less objection to those who support our role in this conflict.
Our lack of response in 2014 led to what we see today. That was the west’s big mistake. Then re-electing Obama’s lap dog got Putin energized.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:02 am to tigeraddict
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the USSR invaded afghanastan in the '70s/80's not with the goal to fight the US, but we supplied the opposition with arms
It's funny that you mention that. We made the same stupid mistakes then by funding terrorists in the Middle East.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:02 am to tigeraddict
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russia had a coice in attacking Ukraine
What would we do if China sets up a defense treaty with Mexico, Canada and Cuba?
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:02 am to imjustafatkid
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unwillingness to use our own oil requires everyone who wants oil to still deal with them.
2023 is going to be the highest production year in history for US oil.
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:03 am to BambiisDead
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This war is just the opening phase of confronting China.
There is no chance our current leadership will ever "confront China."
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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CHina should sign a military agreement with Mexico to see what the US does
Why would they? We aren’t attacking Mexico any time soon.
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