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Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:32 pm to
My children are being protected because of Ukraine and Zekensky and our involvement in a proxy war?
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 7:35 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:57 pm to
Moldova was an economic shiitehole long before Covid.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:58 pm to
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My unborn kids, kids, kids are paying for that.


Likely your grandfather paid of those in the 1980's
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:08 pm to
True. But it didn't help.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:29 pm to
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And you and your family enjoy all the protection and prosperity thereby assured. You’re welcome.


What’s going on in Ukraine or the money going them doesn’t have anything to do with the current freedom we have. I’m all for Ukraine stopping those bastards, with our money and weapons if that’s what it takes, just not our people.
Posted by SmokinBurger
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:33 pm to
My Grandfather served in WWII, he paid us a long time ago.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:50 pm to
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I would say that at least half or more of the country is pro-Russian
more people in moldova are pro romanian than pro russian
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:51 pm to
Mardi Gras ISW Update

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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s February 21 address to the Russian Federal Assembly did not articulate specific goals or intentions for the war in Ukraine, instead reinforcing several long-standing rhetorical lines in an effort to buy Putin more space and time for a protracted war. Putin claimed that Russia began the “special military operation” in Ukraine a year ago in order to protect people in Russia’s “historical lands,” ensure Russian domestic security, remedy the threat posed by the Ukrainian “neo-Nazi” regime that he claims has been in place since 2014, and protect the people of Donbas.[1] Putin virulently accused the collective West of arming Ukraine and deploying bases and biolabs close to Russian borders, thereby unleashing the war on Russia.[2] Putin falsely analogized the Ukrainian Armed Forces with various Nazi divisions and thanked the Russian Armed Forces for their efforts in fighting the Nazi threat.


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Putin announcement of Russia’s suspension of participation in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) captured more attention than the relatively boilerplate content of the rest of the speech. Towards the end of his speech, Putin claimed that the collective West has used START to try to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia and that Russia is therefore suspending its participation in START, although Putin did emphasize that suspension is not a full withdrawal.[5] Putin called on the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and Russian nuclear energy agency Rosatom to ensure readiness for testing nuclear weapons.


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US President Joe Biden gave a speech in Warsaw, Poland on February 21 to reaffirm US and NATO support for Ukraine after his trip to Kyiv. Biden emphasized the unity among NATO countries and stated “our support for Ukraine will not waver, NATO will not be divided, and we will not tire.”[8] Biden also directly addressed Putin’s February 21 speech stating, “the West was not plotting to attack Russia” and “[Putin] could end this war with a word.”


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Many Russian milbloggers condemned Putin’s failure to use his speech to forward new war aims, outline new measures to support the war, or hold Russian authorities accountable for their many military failures. Some milbloggers with prior Kremlin affiliation as well as occupation officials attended the speech in person and expressed positive or neutral support for Putin’s framing of the war as a conflict against the West, suspension of Russia’s participation in START, and support of the Donbas separatist republics.[10] Other milbloggers criticized Putin’s address as boilerplate and without meaningful action. Russian milblogger Igor Girkin notably claimed that Putin did not say anything meaningful for 40 minutes; omitted Russia’s military defeats, military failures, and economic downturn; and failed to hold Russian officials accountable.[11] Girkin also expressed frustration at Putin’s failure to use the address to formally recognize the war, announce next objectives, or counter Western sanctions. Another milblogger claimed that the suspension of Russia’s participation in START is politically symbolic but complained that the suspension will not improve Russia’s situation on the battlefield, instead calling on Russia to hinder Western military aid deliveries to Ukraine.[12] A third milblogger compared Putin to a corpse and echoed many of Girkin’s complaints about accountability and action


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International journalists reportedly obtained the Kremlin’s classified 2021 strategy document on restoring Russian suzerainty over Belarus through the Union State by 2030. The Kyiv Independent, Yahoo News, and several of their international media partners published an investigative report on February 20 about a classified 17-page Russian strategy document on how the Kremlin seeks to absorb the Belarusian state using the Kremlin-dominated Union State structure by 2030.


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NATO must seriously plan for the likely future reality of a Russian-controlled Belarus. As ISW previously assessed, Putin will very likely secure significant gains in restoring Russian suzerainty over Belarus regardless of the outcome of his invasion of Ukraine.[18] Russia’s likely permanent gains in Belarus present the West with a decision about how to deal with the potential future security landscape on NATO’s eastern flank. If the West allows Putin to maintain his current gains in Ukraine—particularly Crimea and eastern Kherson Oblast—then the Kremlin will be able to use both occupied Belarusian and Ukrainian territory to further threaten Ukraine and NATO’s eastern flank


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Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev and Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Central Committee Central Foreign Affairs Commission Office Director Wang Yi met in Moscow on February 21 to discuss deepening Sino–Russian cooperation.[19] Patrushev stated that developing a strategic partnership with China is an unconditional foreign policy priority for Russia.[20] Patrushev claimed that Western states are acting against both China and Russia and claimed that both states stand for a fair world order. Wang stated that Sino–Russian relations remain strong and can “will withstand the test of the changing international situation.”[21] Wang will meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on February 22.[22] US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned on February 18 that China is strongly considering providing lethal support to Russia


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The Financial Times (FT) reported that international companies belonging to Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s continue to garner hundreds of millions of dollars in profits despite long-standing Western sanctions.[24] FT reported that the Prigozhin-controlled company Evro Polis, which received energy concessions from Syria in exchange for recapturing ISIS-controlled oilfields, had net profits of $90 million in 2020 despite US sanctions on the company in 2018, providing a 180 percent return on investment for shareholders that was repatriated to Russia. FT reported that smaller Prigozhin-controlled companies like M Invest, which runs gold mines in Sudan, and Mercury LLC, a Syrian oil company that likely transferred operations to a new business name to evade sanctions, continue to rake in millions in profit. FT’s report further demonstrates the extent to which Western sanctions have failed to stop Russian or Russian-backed actors that help Russia fight against Ukraine.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:51 pm to
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Key Takeaways

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s February 21 address to the Russian Federal Assembly did not articulate specific goals or intentions for the war in Ukraine, instead reinforcing several long-standing rhetorical lines in an effort to buy Putin more space and time for a protracted war.

Putin announcement of Russia’s suspension of participation in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) captured more attention than the relatively boilerplate content of the rest of the speech.

US President Joe Biden gave a speech in Warsaw, Poland on February 21 to reaffirm US and NATO support for Ukraine after his trip to Kyiv.

Many Russian milbloggers condemned Putin’s failure to use his speech to forward new war aims, outline new measures to support the war, or hold Russian authorities accountable for their many military failures.

International journalists reportedly obtained the Kremlin’s classified 2021 strategy document on restoring Russian suzerainty over Belarus through the Union State by 2030.

Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev and Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Central Committee Central Foreign Affairs Commission Office Director Wang Yi met in Moscow on February 21 on deepening Sino–Russan cooperation.

The Financial Times (FT) reported that Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s international companies continue to garner hundreds of millions of dollars in profits despite long-standing Western sanctions.

Russian forces continued to conduct limited ground attacks northwest of Svatove and near Kreminna. Ukrainian forces reportedly conducted a limited counterattack near Kreminna.

Russian forces continued making incremental tactical gains in and around Bakhmut, and continued ground attacks near Avdiivka.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces continue to reinforce and build fortifications in rear areas in southern Ukraine.

The Kremlin may be directing patronage programs between Russian regions and occupied Ukrainian territory to promote socio-economic recovery and infrastructure development.

Russian President Vladimir Putin further expanded unrealistic promises of benefits for Russian soldiers in his address to the Russian Federal Assembly.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:51 pm to
LINK

pRoTeCt DeMoCrAcY
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:52 pm to
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BREAKING: Russia carried out a test of an intercontinental ballistic missile that appears to have failed while Biden was in Ukraine, US officials say - CNN

The ICBM that failed was a SARMAT missile capable of delivering multiple nuclear warheads. US officials believe Putin would have highlighted the test in his State of the Nation address if it was successful


Yeah, now we know why Putin's speech was so low-key and low-energy.

Putin needed to do something. He needed to officially declare war, or announce and new general mobilization, or announce that he had captured the Jewish space lasers that Marjorie Taylor Greene has worried about, and he was now going to use them against Ukraine. Something.

Or, he needed to have a successful test of a weapon that would threaten the West and show just how powerful and scary Russia really is.

It worked as well as the new Russian offensive at Vuhledar did. I wonder if the general in charge will now get a promotion, as Gen. Muradov did after Vuhledar.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:55 pm to
Belarus foreign minister commits suicide after meeting with Russian officials LINK
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:56 pm to
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with our money and weapons if that’s what it takes


It’s not our war
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:56 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:56 pm to




Might be something, might not. Nonetheless, I find it interesting given the diplomat’s visit to Russia, Xi’s reported plans to go to Moscow, and I keep seeing Chinese commitment to support Russias efforts in a strong military partnership between the two countries; though I have not seen this from accounts I recognize and regularly follow so leaving that alone and haven’t shared.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:59 pm to
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Belarus foreign minister commits suicide after meeting with Russian officials


And another step towards Belarus entering
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:00 pm to
LINK

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When the White House was asked why Joe Biden took a 10hr train to Kyiv, the BBC was told "the Russians suck at dynamic targeting" - great snippet on
@BBCr4today


This is true. Russia really and truly can't hit anything in Ukraine that's moving.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105281 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:00 pm to
The poliboard is working its way up to declaring Taiwan is not our fight. Not there yet, but trial balloons are being floated.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20968 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:01 pm to
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Belarus foreign minister commits suicide after meeting with Russian officials


And another step towards Belarus entering


That's from November. Can we stop talking about Poland and Belarus? Nothing is happening with that.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:05 pm to
How much time do you spend a day lurking that board, Jim?

And no, it’s not. What has correctly been pointed out is that the situations are different because of our reliance on the fricking Chinese for everything. Among many other relevant points as it relates to the Chinese invading Taiwan.
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