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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:35 pm to TaderSalad
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:35 pm to TaderSalad
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You pussies still supporting Ukr after the biolab stories have been breaking?
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:36 pm to BuckyCheese
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And Ukraine is not going to tolerate any kind of corruption at all -- those days are over.
this thread.. 
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:39 pm to TaderSalad
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TaderSalad
Another tard tarding things up.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:40 pm to BrianKellyExpecter
Well helllllllo there!!!!! Where ya been Ivan? You got the frick out of dodge in a mighty big hurry when Ukraine had the Russians running for their lives running like bitches to rear and leaving all their equipment and ammunition. I suppose that was just a tactical retreat though right? One hell of a long, shitshow tactical retreat.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:47 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And Ukraine is not going to tolerate any kind of corruption at all -- those days are over.
I'm as pro-Ukraine as there is but this is statement is Pollyannaish. As much as the Ukrainian govt.wants there to be no corruption, inevitably it's gonna happen.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:55 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Newsflash! There’s corruption every country and government.our own President and his crackhead son run a criminal empire for frick stake taking loads of money from enemy nations.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:58 pm to LSUPilot07
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We should absolutely be sending cluster bombs to Ukraine, especially with us just going to destroy them if not and they would be perfect for the kind of all cannon fodder, no armored vehicles attacks that Russia is making now. They would inflate the Russian casualty count like helium into a ballon. We have them for both the 155 mm and the 105 mm so both caliber western guns they have on the battlefield would be able to use them.
We have around 100+ millions of rounds with 40 million scheduled to be disposed of this year from an Obama directive after the US wouldn't join the cluster munitions ban treaty. Russia is using them in Ukraine.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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this thread
Your life
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:02 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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I'm as pro-Ukraine as there is but this is statement is Pollyannaish. As much as the Ukrainian govt.wants there to be no corruption, inevitably it's gonna happen.
Of course it's going to happen -- you can't change a culture overnight. But when it's exposed, as it was in this case, it's not going to be tolerated. People get fired and prosecuted. And then that has a deterrent effect in the future.
Anyone who sees the headlines of the last week in Ukraine can see that there's a new level of attention to corruption. Ukraine is very serious about its application to the EU and knows that this is essential.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:06 pm to TaderSalad
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after the biolab stories have been breaking?
Those 7 months ago you dumbass. Still no proof of it anywhere. Even when Russia initially captured territory, they never showed us any labs.
And sorry if I missed some OT joke or sarcasm with this one. LOL
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:08 pm to CitizenK
Exactly. So Russia can’t say shite if they get used on them. The way Biden is fighting this war is a sure fire way to lose it. It’s one thing to promise things in batches, that’s normal operating procedure. There should have been training on all these weapons systems as well as training on f-16s and Super Cobra helicopters in the past just so if/when they do agree to send equipment like that then they have trained crews for them ready to go. Eventually, if Ukraine makes it out of this war still Ukraine, they will be just like Poland and many ex Soviet bloc countries that make their military 100% NATO standard. If we take on the burden and cost of training their pilots for western aircraft then I’d be willing to bet another nation like Denmark or Poland would send them f-16s so we could avoid actually being the ones that sent it. I think if such a scenario happened that the U.S would give permission for the f-16 to be re-exported by another country to Ukraine.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:08 pm to LSUPilot07
No - I say this as a former Artillery Officer. Their dud rate is too high to make it worth it, and they do little damage to armor vehicles. In Desert Storm a Cav troop was fratted. There was no damage to the BFVs and even the Chevy Blazers suffered little damage.
Ukrainians need to be using time and variable time fuzzes, more effective on personnel, and even better at degrading armor.
Ukrainians need to be using time and variable time fuzzes, more effective on personnel, and even better at degrading armor.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:23 pm to OleWar
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No - I say this as a former Artillery Officer. Their dud rate is too high to make it worth it, and they do little damage to armor vehicles. In Desert Storm a Cav troop was fratted. There was no damage to the BFVs and even the Chevy Blazers suffered little damage.
Much of artillery is used to pound infantry positions and would be fine with trucks carrying supplies. We have close to 200 million rounds which are going to be destroyed anyway. So it may as well be on Russian positions. How much is a contractor going to charge to dispose of them "safely" over here? I am willing to bet than for more than total freight all the way to the front.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:25 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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I'm as pro-Ukraine as there is but this is statement is Pollyannaish. As much as the Ukrainian govt.wants there to be no corruption, inevitably it's gonna happen.
That was part of what was needed to be allowed into the EU. Much has been cleaned up in just the past year. The expansion of the war by Russia allowed Zelensky's admin to clean a lot of it up, likely most, was Russian based.
FTR, in UKR, Zelensky was losing favor among voters for not being able to completely clean up their swamp as they had hoped. 2022 called and said that it would help. The public is overwhelmingly behind Zelensky's leadership now, both with the war and cleaning up the sewerage. This is why the EU is ready for UKR to join it. Moldova and Balkan states are still quite dirty
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:31 pm to CitizenK
DPICM and APICM are worthless. More Ukrainian kids will lose limbs in the next several decades if there is widespread use of them. The Russian use of them have also been military worthless, unless you count old Ukrainians getting maimed fishing them out of their dacha gardens.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:59 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:09 pm to LSUPilot07
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Newsflash! There’s corruption every country and government.our own President and his crackhead son run a criminal empire for frick stake taking loads of money from enemy nations.
This x 1000
Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:14 pm to LSUPilot07
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The way Biden is fighting this war is a sure fire way to lose it.
Keep preaching brother!! You are on a roll.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:20 pm to CitizenK
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Tactics and skill of tank crews matter. Obviously, they are more successful with better equipment, but have used less to good effect against Russia's two best tank outfits. One near Kyiv and the other near Kharkiv
100% that makes a difference in terms of how the weapon is employed but my post was more about finding and sharing info about penetrating power of the 105mm versus modern Russian tanks after LSUPilot07 asked a question about it that also piqued my interest.
One of the points made in the articles was that while the 105mm is perfectly capable of doing the job some of the issues were that lack of modern targeting equipment inhibited longer range effectiveness, whether the ones heading to Ukraine get upgrades I don't know.
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