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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:30 pm to
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The simplest answer might be that they are attached to an army or corps and deployed just because they are part of the TOE.


That’s possible. Plus the presence of a rather infamous nuclear power plant in the region could have something to do with it.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 9:31 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:43 pm to
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I was with 1/37 AR, 1st Armored Div., part of VII Corps.


IIRC your unit went right up the middle and turned east and into Kuwait and contacted maybe the Nebuchadnezzar or Hamurabi division. We were right behind you coming from the west as you turned east but we turned north to the Tallil air base.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 9:51 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:52 pm to
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No VII Corps. I was in the First Gulf War.



Gotcha
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:53 pm to
Very good point
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:04 pm to
I'm watching the mini series, Winds of War, beginning yesterday. Those against supporting Ukraine are just like the isolationists pre WWII and Hitler made the same claims pre invasion westward that Putin has made thus far. This only strengthens my support of Ukraine being anti Putler.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:57 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 03 January 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

In mid-December, Russian military and Wagner proxy forces likely increased the frequency of their infantry assaults around the Donetsk Oblast town of Bakhmut. However, many of these operations were poorly supported.

Over the last ten days, Ukraine has committed significant reinforcements to defend the sector and the frequency of Russian assaults have likely reduced from the peak in mid-December. Both sides have suffered high casualties.

Russian offensive operations in the area are now likely being conducted at only platoon or section level. It is unlikely Russia will achieve a significant breakthrough near Bakhmut in the coming weeks.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:58 am to
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I'm watching the mini series, Winds of War, beginning yesterday. Those against supporting Ukraine are just like the isolationists pre WWII and Hitler made the same claims pre invasion westward that Putin has made thus far. This only strengthens my support of Ukraine being anti Putler.


Please tell me you don’t base your geopolitical opinions on soap opera from the 80’s.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:20 am to
If that wouk’s for him, so be it.

Using “Knot’s Landing” as my talisman over the past four decades has allowed me to arrive at OT Baller status that all wish for.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:24 am to
Is odd that people join this forum for this one post.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:31 am to
The historical novel is by Herman Wouk famous for his Caine Mutiny. No soap operas for me. Many a WWII navy vet loved The Caine Mutiny. Wouk did serve in the Navy during WWII

This shows how little you know, if much at all.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 7:35 am
Posted by Stonehenge
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:32 am to
You should build an Abrams duplicating the vehicle you served on in the desert!
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:32 am to
I think people forgot how big Saddams military was.
Desert Storm's shock and awe campaign was near flawless.
Posted by BRIllini07
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:41 am to
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Fatbertillini666


As a fellow Illini, you apparently need to go back to RHET105 and the history course that's usually required for graduation. You're communicating in a rambling mess of words without defending any of them. I'd also recommend HIST 171 or HIST 172.

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The armed forces of the Russian federation are in the process of doing something no NATO country has ever done - win a war against a near-peer adversary. This conflict should be a wake up call to you but you’re too damned arrogant to get it


NATO as a unit it is a defensive, not offensive treaty. So they aren't even playing the same game as Russia. It's equally valid to point out that no NATO country has LOST territory to the Soviet Union (or its successor state, Russia).

As for individual NATO states in combat (including pre-NATO resume, since um, NATO is a defensive compact):

USA (with one hand named "Germany" tied behind it's back) v. Japan from 1941 to 1945 is about as even keeled as it can get. Without the semi-success at Coral Sea and the Miracle at Midway that war might have turned a bit

USA vs. British Empire (1776) was pretty even.

The British Empire holding off Germany long enough in 1941 despite constant attacks works fairly well (with the future members of NATO being able to join in and finish the job). Yes, Russia lost the most men in that conflict, but even they were running on "future NATO" supplies by that point.

Gulf War 1 (Liberate Kuwait) is an obvious point in NATO favor vs. the 4th largest Army in the world at the time. 30 years later the joke is that getting sent to Kuwait is cush duty for soldiers....so, um, yeah that worked.

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:46 am to
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Using “Knot’s Landing” as my talisman over the past four decades has allowed me to arrive at OT Baller status that all wish for.
I've never watched one episode if it and only a few of Dallas which I think it spun off from
Posted by BRIllini07
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:59 am to
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Fatbertillini666


Similarly, if you want to doubt the effectiveness of NATO go grab a beer in Warsaw tomorrow...because, well, that's totally a thing you can do. This would be preposterous in 1985.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:00 am to
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If that wouk’s for him, so be it.
Nice. Well done
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:02 am to
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The historical novel is by Herman Wouk famous for his Caine Mutiny. No soap operas for me. Many a WWII navy vet loved The Caine Mutiny. Wouk did serve in the Navy during WWII
Thats neat. The Winds of War is still a soap opera that happens to take place during WWII. So congrats on the Cain Mutiny thing though
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:28 am to
Where do you get soap opera from is beyond me.

The isolationist sentiment was quite strong pre WWII with them not understanding how Germany's conquests would impact daily lives. The arguments being same as today's isolationists. Tucker the Stupid Phucker types were plenty back then. Some of Russia's arguments about the West and their being a stabilizing force were the same as Hitler's claims as well. Also, taking "traditional" lands the same as Putler's.

In today's world with interconnection in world trade, Russia taking Ukraine was seriously impact our economy here. We are no longer independent with raw materials for making steel and metals. We haven't been without oil imports since 1943, not a single year. We won't be without NEED for oil imports in the near future either. I don't care how much we drill and produce.
Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:54 am to
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The isolationist sentiment was quite strong pre WWII


It was, Americans generally didn't feel it had been worth it to enter WWI. I did a little digging and found an interesting timeline:

Jan. 1940 - 88% of Americans oppose declaring war with the Axis.
June 1940 - 35% wanted to aid Britain at the risk of war.
September 1940 - this is up to 52%. It was also the start of the London Blitz.
April 1941 - 68% favor war with the Axis if "that was the only way to defeat them".

Interesting, there was more support for war than I would have guessed by spring of 1941. There was almost no support in early 1940.

Great Debate

Posted by duggieblue
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:05 am to
Overnight AFU hit another building housing Russian soldiers, in occupied Tokmak, Zaporizhia Oblast.

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