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Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:28 pm to TigersnJeeps
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I just don't see Ukraine/Zelensky settling for anything less than restoration of all of Ukraine and Putin/Russia won't agree.
Russia would remain under severe sanctions until they do agree.
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Even if Putin is removed by internal forces, I am not convinced Russian position would change. Of course it depends on who removes him
If we know anything about the Russian populace, it’s that they are habituated to being ruled by a despot. Another one will surely follow Putin.
The lesson for the rest of the world is that Russia must be contained because they don’t/won’t play well with others.
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I am also not convinced that Ukraine will have sufficient capability to force Russia out of all Ukrainian territory to include Crimea.
I definitely think they can. The Ukes are responding extremely well to western training and the use of modern weapons. We just have to trust them with more advanced weapons, such as ATACMS.
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All I foresee is a continuing slog for some time. Money and lives lost
I don’t. Russia is a depraved society with an outdated military. I think Ukraine will continue to handle them and will drive them from all parts of their country.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:31 pm to Kentucker
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Russia would remain under severe sanctions until they do agree.
How many times has this actually worked? Seems like most leaders just double down. NK, Cuba, Iran, Syria and on and on.
I can't even think of a popular uprising in recent memory that started after sanctions, but I'm not an encyclopedia.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:32 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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My guess? Something more than 2 but less than a thousand. That would be insane to react that way over this incident.
What’s your idea of an adequate response? It’s easy to knock on my response. Offer one up that I might be able to say is insane.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:33 pm to Kentucker
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What’s your idea of an adequate response? It’s easy to knock on my response. Offer one up that I might be able to say is insane.
Well Biden said the preliminary report is the missile didn't originate from Russia, did I miss an update?
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:35 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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How many times has this actually worked? Seems like most leaders just double down. NK, Cuba, Iran, Syria and on and on.
No country had been sanctioned so hard by so many countries as has Russia. None of the countries you listed has ever had an economy like Russia’s. They ranked fifth in the world before their invasion of Ukraine.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:37 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Well Biden said the preliminary report is the missile didn't originate from Russia, did I miss an update?
We don’t recognize Crimea as being part of Russia. It likely came from there or from a ship in the Black Sea, as has many in the past.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:38 pm to ImaObserver
“Latest information” from whom?
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:39 pm to Kentucker
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We don’t recognize Crimea as being part of Russia
Dude this is a stretch. The President of the United States isn't going to play this semantics game when serious NATO response could on the table. That's conspiracy level logic.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:47 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Dude this is a stretch. The President of the United States isn't going to play this semantics game when serious NATO response could on the table. That's conspiracy level logic.
Oh, come on. You seem to want Biden’s statement to mean that there’s no possibility that the missiles were fired by Russians from anywhere. The idiots fired more than 100 missiles into every part of Ukraine yesterday.
Think logically.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:49 pm to Kentucker
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You seem to want Biden’s statement to mean that there’s no possibility that the missiles were fired by Russians from anywhere.
I did not say that.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:54 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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I did not say tha
But that’s how it sounds when you weigh it against the fact that the Russians fired so many missiles into Ukraine yesterday. They usually come from Crimea or Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.
And they don’t always hit their intended targets. Think of the countless civilian residential structures that have been blown apart by stray missiles, killing upwards of 40,000 people.
That a couple of errant missiles wound up in Poland is not unthinkable. If it happened that way, then something has to be done to stop Russia just lobbing them into the sky, not knowing where they might land.
Like this:
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:58 pm to Kentucker
I think you need to go back and reread this conversation 
Posted on 11/15/22 at 10:01 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Why?
Posted on 11/15/22 at 10:19 pm to Kentucker
Russian state TV getting concerned they are in 1916 again. The unrest must be bubbling.
One thing that has been a talking point for them is how you "can not lose a nuclear war" thus Russia can not be defeated. They seem to conveniently forget to point out you can't win a nuclear war either.
YT
The white haired colonel general dude in older footage is talking about how Russia will invade the Baltics and throttle NATO's attempts to prevent it. By the end of his map presentation, the host is openly laughing at him. I wonder if he would make the same presentation today.
Twitter
Margarita purportedly saying the missile was indeed an attack by Russia. If the translation is accurate I now know Russia did NOT do it.
Maxim Yusin (typical talking head) is made about the "with Russia Forever" billboards in Kherson that are now being used to clown Russia. He talks about fairy tales and clownery. Apparently, memes actually work.
Twitter
Original read Russia is here forever, updated to Russia is here until 11 November.
One thing that has been a talking point for them is how you "can not lose a nuclear war" thus Russia can not be defeated. They seem to conveniently forget to point out you can't win a nuclear war either.
YT
The white haired colonel general dude in older footage is talking about how Russia will invade the Baltics and throttle NATO's attempts to prevent it. By the end of his map presentation, the host is openly laughing at him. I wonder if he would make the same presentation today.
Margarita purportedly saying the missile was indeed an attack by Russia. If the translation is accurate I now know Russia did NOT do it.
Maxim Yusin (typical talking head) is made about the "with Russia Forever" billboards in Kherson that are now being used to clown Russia. He talks about fairy tales and clownery. Apparently, memes actually work.
Original read Russia is here forever, updated to Russia is here until 11 November.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:29 pm to Obtuse1
I'm sure people have heard, but even Mr Ice Cream said missile that hit Poland "probably didn't come from Russia". Well that leaves one other option.....
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
I don’t see much coming from this unless Poland really wants to press the issue but I doubt they do. If that somehow got Ukraine Poland’s 23 remaining Mig-29s I think that would be a massive victory but I don’t see it. Poland just doesn’t seem ru want to get rid of them for some reason even though they have gone to western fighters for the most part.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:34 pm to ImaObserver
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Latest information seems to indicate that the fragments at the impact site are those of a Ukrainian S300 air defense missile which may have been fired at an invading Russian drone or aircraft.
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I don’t see much coming from this unless Poland really wants to press the issue but I doubt they do. If that somehow got Ukraine Poland’s 23 remaining Mig-29s I think that would be a massive victory but I don’t see it. Poland just doesn’t seem ru want to get rid of them for some reason even though they have gone to western fighters for the most part.
Back up, so Ukraine accidentally(I hope) whacks two Polish civilians with their AA and it gets them in tighter with Poland?
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:41 pm to OGtigerfan87
quote:About 75%, not including the German woodcutters for when timber was king and Lake Chuck was a very major sawmill town.
I don’t think it is most are German but it is a decent amount
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