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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:32 am to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:32 am to
In another regional oddity, Iran is backing Christian Armenia in its conflict with Muslim Azerbaijan.
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:33 am to
The German company Hensoldt handed over the first multifunctional TRML-4D radar station to Ukraine, the company reported.

The station is a component of the IRIS-T complex. It is able to detect various air targets in the number of up to 1500 and at a distance of up to 250 km.

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1583465953136103428?s=20&t=Gb8pgUP95C9rpLh-5ZGyEg
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:37 am to
Trent Telenko had a twitter thread about defending against drones and loitering munitions. Using missiles against drones swarms is not cost effective. He harkened back to the defense of Antwerp from V1 attacks, using belts of radar directed machine guns and autocannons.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:39 am to
It’s going to be lasers and other energy directed weapons that will end up being the answer to drones and drone swarms.
Posted by Burhead
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:44 am to
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In another regional oddity, Iran is backing Christian Armenia in its conflict with Muslim Azerbaijan.


Because Israel backs Azerbaijan.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:48 am to
Agreed, Shooting multi-million dollar missiles at cheap drones isn't a long-term solution.

I think the most effective approach to anti-drone defense will be layered consisting of explosive flak, EW counter Measures, and directed energy. I suspect we'll see anti-drone drones play a part as well. We've already seen some Drone on Drone footage from this war.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:53 am to
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popular support will not falter until the people who have the least stake in seeing an opposition viewpoint see something tangible they cannot explain. If the ecosystem is tight enough, using denial as an ego defense might be sufficient to retain popular support.


Good post and I agree. I think the use of nuclear threats to serve to keep the war and as many of its consequences from coming home to the Russian population. Russian propaganda is much different from old Soviet propaganda, which attempted to sell its communist vision of the future as superior to the West's vision, but this was vulnerable to increasingly available messages for Russians of relatively comfortable Western lives. Russian propaganda, OTOH, is intentionally bewildering, allowing multiple narratives to be mutually incoherent so that the end result for the media-consuming citizen is passivity and acquiescence.

This leads about half of the Russian population to have checked out from politics and from the war and they will presumably continue to do so until they see real symbols of the regime threatened (I think this is why the Kerch bridge attack was so threatening to Putin and why it was so critical for Russian media to portray it as functioning). The various degrees of martial law is something else that may challenge the regime's message. It's built to try to give a light touch to Moscow and other areas that are more visible, but it's the sort of thing that could change public opinion.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 11:56 am
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:59 am to
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In another regional oddity, Iran is backing Christian Armenia in its conflict with Muslim Azerbaijan.

I saw that as well. It’s Interesting as to why and goes against Sharia law.
Posted by lowspark12
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:00 pm to
It’s almost like they’re using religion as an excuse to exert power over its people and only when it’s convenient for their political purposes.
Posted by 03GeeTee
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:02 pm to
I can tell you watch Vlad Vexler's videos.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:03 pm to
Why Putin’s propaganda works, explained by a Russian

This is a really good primer on the phases of propaganda that Putin is using to control Russians, as reflected in the YT video you shared.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:07 pm to
Yes, I think Vexler is on the right track. I came by the perspective via Peter Pomerantsev (and anyone wanting to understand more background on modern propaganda should check out This is Not Propaganda), who is really good for understanding authoritarian propaganda.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:16 pm to
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In another regional oddity, Iran is backing Christian Armenia in its conflict with Muslim Azerbaijan.



Not that odd. Azerbaijan chose to become closer to Turkey after independence and had weapons supplied by Israel and Turkey. Part of greater Azerbaijan also exists inside Iran, which added to the bitterness on the part of the Iranians. There is a large Armenian population in Iran as well.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:39 pm to
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I saw that as well. It’s Interesting as to why and goes against Sharia law.



What people need to understand about Iran is that it, like many countries in the region, are essentially run by the security apparatus. The security apparatus before the Iranian Revolution was retained in the aftermath, as SAVAK, the secret police and internal intelligence bureau was folded into SAVAMA, the new intelligence agency, virtually unchanged. That is a very key thing to note, as the country's foreign policy has never wavered, as the Shah himself was responsible for sending out Shia clerics to disparate parts of the Muslim world, including Musa al-Sadr, who went to Lebanon and was instrumental there in organizing the Southern Lebanese Shia into a cogent political entity. The real revolution that the Shah actually embraced was the retreat from political quietism on the part of the cleric class, of which he was on the losing side, as before the White Revolution, the cleric class was heavily invested in the feudalist structure of Iran. After those land reforms, many became more political. Khomeini's family was part of this land-owning class.

Regardless, the revolution never changed Iran's extra-territorial aims. The security of the state was always paramount, even above the principles of the Islamic Revolution. There are many things that you could argue Iran does that violate 'Sharia Law' broadly, but they do often publish self-justifications through Islamic interpretations, which is a feature that Shia clerics possess which Sunni clerics generally do not.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:43 pm to
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In another regional oddity, Iran is backing Christian Armenia in its conflict with Muslim Azerbaijan.



It's such a weird relationship. Wealthy Iranians go to Armenia to gamble in casinos and party. The Blue Mosque in Yerevan was once a symbol of the persecution of Christians that has happened so much to Armenians and Georgians over the centuries, but now it's a symbol of friendship between Iran and Armenia -- and a place for those otherwise partying Iranians to worship.





Armenia's national identity is largely defined by the Armenian Genocide carried out by the Turks, and the resulting longstanding Armenian hostility to Turkey (and to their cousins and allies the Azeris), and Iran and Turkey have been strategic foes dating back many centuries, so that has made Iran and Armenia natural allies.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 12:52 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:46 pm to
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Not that odd. Azerbaijan chose to become closer to Turkey after independence and had weapons supplied by Israel and Turkey. Part of greater Azerbaijan also exists inside Iran, which added to the bitterness on the part of the Iranians. There is a large Armenian population in Iran as well.


Yes, and Azerbaijan and Iran have huge disputes about oil drilling rights in the Caspian Sea.

And Azeris and Turks consider themselves to be the same ethnic group. The languages are extremely similar, so that Turkish TV is popular in Azerbaijan.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:57 pm to
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Russian propaganda is much different from old Soviet propaganda, which attempted to sell its communist vision of the future as superior to the West's vision, but this was vulnerable to increasingly available messages for Russians of relatively comfortable Western lives. Russian propaganda, OTOH, is intentionally bewildering, allowing multiple narratives to be mutually incoherent so that the end result for the media-consuming citizen is passivity and acquiescence.


The soviets had an ethos and belief system. Russia is run by a bunch of nihilistic kleptocrats.

Makes sense their information space has gone from “our way is better for all” to “they are just as despicable as us or more so.”
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 1:00 pm to
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And Azeris and Turks consider themselves to be the same ethnic group. The languages are extremely similar, so that Turkish TV is popular in Azerbaijan.



Azeris are a Turkic-speaking group, but they are also a good example of how little influence actual Arabs had in the Muslim world before the 20th century. The main cultural movement in West Asia was broadly defined as 'Turco-Persian' with its influence extending all the way from the Sahel to India. The Azeris who lived north of historic Azerbaijan, located in Iran, were 'Turkified' but converted to Shia Islam with the rest of the Safavids in the 15th century, in part to develop distance between the Ottomans and the Safavids, as the Ottomans practiced mainly the Hanafi fiqh of Sunni Islam. That conversion by Ismail the I essentially created the tension we saw played out during the Iranian Revolution, where the secular state and the religious state went head-to-head. That split also played out between Oghuz Turkic groups in Northern Iran and those that settled in Anatolia and elsewhere, including the Ottomans, who were a branch of the Oghuz.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 1:07 pm to
The irony, of course, is that our information space is getting "Russified". There are of course ops the Russian government runs on Western populations, but authoritarians and even social movements around the world are picking up on these techniques (or developing them de novo) and deploying them to produce cynicism, apathy, distrust in institutions and fellow citizens, and disengagement from democratic politics. But most of it isn't top-down. Most of the pilling you see is "amplified propaganda" or "ampliganda" by which you pill your neighbors via assistance from social media algorithms.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 3:01 pm to
10 Iranian instructors who advised Russian Forces on the use of kamikaze drones were liquidated in Ukraine, — The Jerusalem Post.

https://twitter.com/flash_news_ua/status/1583535064616697856?s=46&t=Is6qlpqLr9jE58E-9rjF1A

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