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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:04 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:04 pm to
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@LucasFoxNews Biden’s energy secretary tells CNN releasing millions of barrels of fuel from the strategic reserve is necessary because country is on a ‘wartime footing.’


If we’re on a wartime footing, should we not be actually reserving oil for use in various equipment necessary to actually fight a war? The impact of this release will be so minuscule to be paired with wartime footing and lack of ability to efficiently replace the reserves is just dumb.

Not an OML moment, this is just simply stupid imo.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:06 pm to
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Ukraine’s NATO accession has been discussed as well as Finland and Sweden.


That’s because Ukraine has been trying to get into NATO since 2003 and almost did in 2004. However, Angela Merkel nixed it. That bitch could have prevented all of this.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15769 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:06 pm to
It is basically offroad diesel for home heating in the Northeast USA, nothing more. Not as much heating oil is used in homes even up there as used to be used.

Another tits on a boar hog sort of thing like the SPR which can only ship via pipeline to 20 out of 140 refineries in the USA via pipeline and half of them really are not interested in light crude which they can get from US production easy as pie
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:09 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24896 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:07 pm to
idiotic and completely political
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:13 pm to
Literally the same as asking what you think the US response would be to Russia blowing up a nuke plant
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:13 pm to
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What does everyone think a post-conflict world looks like with respect to Ukraine’s security?

It’s obvious at this point that Ukraine will continue to exist; the only question that remains to be answered is how much of their land will be retained.

Anyway, I only see two outcomes: Ukraine will either get an Israel-like security guarantee, or develop their own nuclear program. It’s apparent the only thing that truly protects sovereignty is nuclear deterrent.

Will Ukraine get their security guarantee after this is over?


EU & NATO membership. NATO bases. This will effectively guarantee their security as they recover and provider more of their own security.

They’ll be the focus of massive international investment and aid in rebuilding a nation that can be very prosperous with a capitalistic economy and democratic govt. As they rebuild and pivot postwar defense spending is likely a major element of their fiscal policy, which will be spent on largely American equipment.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15769 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:14 pm to
Interesting conversation with Iranian expat regarding Ukraine this evening. The sunflower crushing plants for sunflower oil are mostly owned by Turkish companies. It is the vegetable oil of choice for that entire region, including Iran.

Putin has screwed a number of Turkish companies with his little special operation.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:15 pm to
I agree with EU and US security guarantees. I worry Hungary will nix NATO at this point but I hope not.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:15 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:16 pm to
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It is basically offroad diesel for home heating in the Northeast USA, nothing more. Not as much heating oil is used in homes even up there as used to be used.


Now I’m confused, which was released the SPR commonly referred to or the one with the heating oil you mentioned? Could the off-road diesel not be used in military equipment, requiring diesel?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75203 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:18 pm to
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I’ve been very explicit with the harvest and for many governments world wide to make the announcements of food rationing. We’re maybe two or three weeks out from that from my May predictions. I still think I’m right.

You're not. I won't derail the thread with this, but you are not right.

ETA: Sorry for this, but OML's post came up for some reason when I was searching for the meme thread.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:18 pm to
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I agree with EU and US security guarantees. I worry Hungary will nix NATO at this point but I hope not.


Probably validity to the concern but if they can’t see Russia is the wrong choice in all of this idk what to tell them. I also suspect Poland could help put some pressure on them to cave with some sort of concession if needed.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:19 pm to
Here is the geolocation pin for the building that got hit in Energodar 47.490392, 34.662319 it is not really close to the ZNPP
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75203 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:32 pm to
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Yet that isn’t reflected in the actual price of wheat. And where is food rationing taking place right now?


To hell with it, OML wouldn't explain his chicken little bullshite with "the harvest" and world famine a while back when I tried to get him to. He's basing a large part of his opinion on the war. He says it is an undeniable negative impact on the harvests in both Ukraine and Russia and that it will reverberate around the world. He's wrong.

This is a collection of snippets from the September into October World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates report.



The only thing there might be a shortage in (at this point), comparatively speaking, is rice, and that has dick all to do with this war and isn't near the "world famine" scale.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled war updates.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150152 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:40 pm to
they have already caved on finland and sweden after the pressure put on them. they may drag their feet but it will take more than one dissenter to stop the momentum
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15769 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:46 pm to
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Now I’m confused, which was released the SPR commonly referred to or the one with the heating oil you mentioned? Could the off-road diesel not be used in military equipment, requiring diesel?


The oil being released is from the reserve for home heating oil for the Northeast USA, and has not a damned thing to do with military reserve. The reporter called it strategic which it is not.

It's tits on a boar hog like the SPR has become. The likes of Morgan Stanley are being paid to store it the under 500 ppm diesel oil used for home heating
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:47 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:18 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian authorities are likely setting information conditions to justify planned Russian retreats and significant territorial losses in Kherson Oblast.


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Russian forces are also setting information conditions to conduct a false-flag attack on the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP). The Russian military may believe that breaching the dam could cover their retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro River and prevent or delay Ukrainian advances across the river.


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Russia continues to use the guise of civilian “evacuations” as a cover for the mass forced removal of civilians from Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine


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Russian President Vladimir Putin’s October 19 declaration of martial law readiness is largely legal theater meant to legitimize activities the Russian military needs to undertake or is already undertaking while creating a framework for future mobilization and domestic restrictions.


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Putin’s decrees identified several sectors in which the Russian state will be exerting increasing control:

In areas of maximum and medium readiness, the decree calls for unspecified “mobilization measures in the economic sphere,” likely to provide economic and industrial support to Putin’s so-called “partial” mobilization of at least 300,000 Russian men.

In all areas, the decree makes provisions for government control of transportation and communications infrastructure as well as increased security around government buildings and other critical infrastructure.

In areas of maximum application of martial law (Russian-occupied Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk), the decree calls for the establishment of “territorial defense” headquarters with unspecified roles.

In areas of medium and elevated readiness, the decree enables regional leaders to take measures for territorial defense and civil defense.

In areas of medium readiness, the decree enables governments to forcibly “temporarily resettle” civilians.

The decree also includes vague language for each category, authorizing local authorities to “implement measures to meet the needs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military formations, bodies and needs of the population.” Such language could be used to legalize almost any government action.

In areas of elevated, medium, and maximum readiness, the decree allows for restricting movements of people and vehicles. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Yevgeny Ivanov claimed on October 19 that the government does not currently intend to restrict movement out of the country.[11] However, Putin’s decree would likely provide legal cover for the implementation of such restrictions without passing additional decrees.
These moves closer to full-scale martial law are unsurprising but disordered—a competent modern military should implement economic mobilization, secure lines of transportation, and coordinate territorial defense before or as initial mobilization for war begins, not as follow-on reserve mobilization nears its completion (Putin announced on October 14 that his “partial” mobilization would end by early November).


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Putin has slow-rolled his introduction of legal concepts and frameworks like military and economic mobilization, annexation, and martial law to the Russian population since September, attempting to normalize these concepts and limit domestic dissent.


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Putin also may be setting conditions for a less orthodox kind of under-the-radar mobilization: the creation of Ukrainian-style Territorial Defense Forces


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Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin may also be driving Putin toward unconventional methods of continuing the war.


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Prigozhin is also continuing efforts to set himself and Wagner Group forces apart from conventional Russian military elements


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Key Takeaways

Russian authorities are likely setting information conditions to justify planned Russian retreats and the loss of significant territory in Kherson Oblast.

Russian forces are setting information conditions to conduct a false-flag attack on the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP); the Russian military may believe that breaching the dam could cover their retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro River and prevent or delay Ukrainian advances across the river.

Russia continues to use the guise of civilian “evacuations” as a cover for the mass forced removal of civilians from Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s October 19 declaration of martial law readiness is largely legal theater meant to legitimize activities the Russian military needs to undertake or is already undertaking while creating a framework for future mobilization and domestic restrictions.

Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin is continuing efforts to set himself and Wagner Group forces apart from conventional Russian military elements.

Russian forces continued to conduct limited assaults to recapture lost territory in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast.

Russian and Ukrainian forces reportedly continued to conduct assaults in the Kreminna-Svatove area.

Russian sources widely claimed that Ukrainian troops conducted another offensive push in northwestern Kherson Oblast.

Russian President Vladimir Putin passed a decree on October 19 seeking to address Russian military personnels’ ongoing concerns about timely payments and setting the blame on Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Finance Minister Anton Siluanov for future payment issues.

The Russian parliament proposed legal measures that would allow Russian authorities to minimize the domestic impacts of partial mobilization in potential future mobilization waves.

Russian military officials continued to forcibly mobilize Ukrainian residents of Russian-occupied territories to labor or fight on behalf of the Russian military.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:21 pm to
Ukraine terrorist state will lose.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28596 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:24 pm to
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Ukraine terrorist state will lose.

If “losing” means that the Russian invading army will be pushed back into Russia, I’m sure they will be ok with it.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75203 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:24 pm to
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Ukraine terrorist state will lose.

I'm ignorant. Can you please explain to me, in detail, how Ukraine is a terrorist state?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 9:25 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150152 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:25 pm to
They are going to join the EU whenever this war is over and surpass Russia in every single economic and quality of life statistic lmao
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