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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:06 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:06 pm to CitizenK
True that
Some random Twitter rumblings
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Some random Twitter rumblings
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Ukraine LIVE: Putin's forces warn city will flood as battle for Kherson 'about to begin'
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Russian commander says situation in Kherson is tough; Ukraine faces massive blackout ahead of harsh winter
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Developing:
Heavy gunfights reported from inside Kherson city!
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Ukrainian Kherson offensive...
Russia took 7 people prisoner, in the same place, in the Berislav direction. Among them are two officers, one is a company commander of the 28th brigade, the other is the commander of a tank company of the 4th detachment.
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:12 pm to StormyMcMan
"John has a long mustache"
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:13 pm to MountainTiger
Missiles strike administrative building in Enerhodar, Zaporizhzhia Province.
That’s on the east bank of the river. Either the Ukes have begun an offensive towards Melitopol or the Orcs are scorching the earth as they retreat from Zaporizhzhia, too.
That’s on the east bank of the river. Either the Ukes have begun an offensive towards Melitopol or the Orcs are scorching the earth as they retreat from Zaporizhzhia, too.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:15 pm to StormyMcMan
No man now living has seen farther than George Soros. A brilliant man. He wrote this in 1993 - almost 30 years ago.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:16 pm to Kentucker
shite - how close is that to the nuclear power plant? That's where the Ukes have been planning to cross the river. It really must be happening.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:27 pm to Kentucker
I thought the building in Energodar that got struck was part of the ZNPP facility. It is not. Here is the geolocation pin fwiw 47.490392, 34.662319
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:32 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
It looks like it’s only about a mile from the NPP. The Orcs are saying that the Ukes tried to take the NPP but failed. That would not explain why the administrative building was hit. Russia playing more games, imo.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:35 pm to Mr Happy
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I think you are absolutely right, but losing Kherson will be a shock to the Russian public.
State TV is currently attempting to soften this blow and spin it.
Russian state TV on YT
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:37 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
Good. Putin clearly isn’t interested in admitting he fricked up abs left Ukraine to the pre Feb 24 borders. Zelensky I suspect will agree to that and leave Crimea to Russia to stop the fighting but if they have to keep fighting and spilling blood then why stop? Take it all back from them if they don’t want to act with any sense and just withdraw. Putin’s ego won’t allow it, he doesn’t give a frick how many of his troops have to die, how many of his tanks get destroyed or how many of his aircraft and pilots get blown out of the sky. I’ve long said the Russian people should pull a Mussolini on Putin and hang him in the center of Moscow.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:39 pm to Kentucker
Question for the posters: If Russia blows up the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in the face of the Uke offensive, will that warrant troops on the ground from NATO?
The effects of the destroyed NPP would directly affect many NATO countries. Russia knows this. Would it count as an act of war against NATO?
The effects of the destroyed NPP would directly affect many NATO countries. Russia knows this. Would it count as an act of war against NATO?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:41 pm to Kentucker
Not really sure bud they would be playing with fire if they did. NATO will stay out of this with no boots on the ground if they can but if you blow a nuclear power plant who knows?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:44 pm to Kentucker
From what I have read Z has fortified the left bank of the river at Energodar very well. It will be a very difficult river crossing there if indeed that is what is happening.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:45 pm to Kentucker
I expect it would be considered similarly to use of a nuke.
No-fly zone and overwhelming conventional assets deployed against the Black Sea fleet.
No-fly zone and overwhelming conventional assets deployed against the Black Sea fleet.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:45 pm to Kentucker
The Russians should just pull back and out of the power plant but they are using it as a shield. Ukraine will have to take it with light infantry which makes things harder when you can’t bring your artillery on the line. They do have HIMARS though.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:53 pm to Highthoughts
What does everyone think a post-conflict world looks like with respect to Ukraine’s security?
It’s obvious at this point that Ukraine will continue to exist; the only question that remains to be answered is how much of their land will be retained.
Anyway, I only see two outcomes: Ukraine will either get an Israel-like security guarantee, or develop their own nuclear program. It’s apparent the only thing that truly protects sovereignty is nuclear deterrent.
Will Ukraine get their security guarantee after this is over?
It’s obvious at this point that Ukraine will continue to exist; the only question that remains to be answered is how much of their land will be retained.
Anyway, I only see two outcomes: Ukraine will either get an Israel-like security guarantee, or develop their own nuclear program. It’s apparent the only thing that truly protects sovereignty is nuclear deterrent.
Will Ukraine get their security guarantee after this is over?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:56 pm to Highthoughts
separate issue for the political board
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:56 pm to jeffsdad
No it isn’t.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:58 pm to jeffsdad
Yep.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 7:59 pm to Highthoughts
This thread is about the ongoing war, not potential political settlements.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 8:00 pm to Kentucker
Ukraine’s NATO accession has been discussed as well as Finland and Sweden.
Completely relevant to discuss and appropriate. Joe Biden and Fauci are not.
Completely relevant to discuss and appropriate. Joe Biden and Fauci are not.
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