re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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You think that after the use of a nuke in Ukraine, then the West would be less likely to be involved?

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Depends. If our involvement was, as it is, via Ukrainian assistance and Ukraine capitulated, then yes, the West would be less likely to be involved. In truth though, the use of a nuke in this affair would probably lead to WWIII.

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it would not be recognized internationally

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Israel says your "strong handle" may need a screw or two.

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that make absolutely no sense

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Sorry. I suppose that's hyperbole. If not though, I can lay out the concept, but I can't comprehend it for you in your behalf. That's on you.

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What a flip answer.

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Flip? Oh my! Coming from a guy who matter-of-factly would have us in WWIII over a disagreement in East Ukrainian sovereignty and NATO expansion?

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periods go inside the quotation.

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Yours appear to go on a pad.

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Second, what caused Euromaiden?

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Soros, and the Obama administration.

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Depends. If our involvement was, as it is, via Ukrainian assistance and Ukraine capitulated, then yes, the West would be less likely to be involved. In truth though, the use of a nuke in this affair would probably lead to WWIII.

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What? You've expressed two different sentiments here. I can safely say that the use of nuclear weapons would provoke a massive response from the West, which again negates the notion that Russia needs a buffer. So which is it? Russia needs a buffer, but will also act in a way that completely negates the need of that buffer?

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Israel says your "strong handle" may need a screw or two.

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What? Unilateral secession is not recognized and hasn't been anywhere since 1945, to my recall.

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Sorry. I suppose that's hyperbole. If not though, I can laid out the concept, but I can't comprehend it for you in your behalf. That's on you.

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I think I comprehended just fine. At numerous points in our conversation, you haven't answered substantively, with respect to Macron, to whether the evidence suggests that the Russians were negotiating in good-faith, and with the insane insistence that Russia should be insulated from the consequences of their decisions.

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The problem with OML, specifically in this thread, is they’re not attempting to participate in a legit discussion but instead attempts to browbeat everyone into acceptance of his sky is falling, Ukraine should surrender to save us all belief. It would help if they’d adapt in response to legitimate sourcing contrary to their aforementioned sky is falling, Ukraine should surrender to save us all belief.

That said idc that OML is banned or not.

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No, I’m saying we come to the table with peace talks with what Elon said or for them to agree to give up the Donbas and Crimea. I’m sorry, Putin is a bad evil mother fricker, but he’s dead if he completely retreats. It’s simply not happening. I’m not taking a nuke to the face over the Donbas, a region which I could not draw accurately if I tried and never fricking heard of before this year.

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I gave you the right answer.

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No. There is an incidence that lead to the protests. I'm asking about that specific incident. Not anything else.

ISW Update

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Russian forces conducted a series of drone and missile strikes against residential areas and critical infrastructure throughout Ukraine on October 17.

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The October 17 drone attack on residential infrastructure in Kyiv is consistent with the broader pattern of Russian forces prioritizing creating psychological terror effects on Ukraine over achieving tangible battlefield effects.

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A fratricidal altercation between mobilized servicemen at a training ground in Belgorod Oblast on October 15 is likely a consequence of the Kremlin’s continual reliance on ethnic minority communities to bear the burden of mobilization in the Russian Federation

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Wagner Group financier Yevheny Prigozhin and Wagner-affiliated social media outlets are increasingly commenting on the ineffectiveness of traditional Russian military institutions and societal issues, which may indirectly undermine the Kremlin’s rule.

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Russia is continuing to leverage its relationship with Iran to obtain drones and missiles, likely to compensate for its increasingly attritted missile arsenal

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A Russian Su-34 crashed near an apartment building in Yeysk, Krasnodar Krai on October 17

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Key Takeaways

Russian forces conducted drone and missiles strikes against residential areas and critical infrastructure facilities throughout Ukraine on October 17.

Russian drone strikes against residential areas in Kyiv on October 17 are indicative of Russian forces prioritizing psychological terror over tangible battlefield gains.

Yevgeny Prigozhin and affiliated Telegram channels are increasingly commenting on the ineffectiveness of traditional Russian military institutions, which may be undermining the Kremlin.

A fratricidal altercation between mobilized servicemen at a training ground in Belgorod Oblast on October 15 is likely a consequence of the Kremlin’s continual reliance on ethnic minority communities to bear the burden of mobilization in the Russian Federation.

Russia is continuing to leverage its relationship with Iran to obtain drones and missiles, likely to compensate for its increasingly attritted missile arsenal.

A Russian Su-34 crashed near a residential building in Yeysk, Krasnodar Krai on October 17.

Russian sources continued to discuss potential Ukrainian counteroffensive operations northwest of Svatove on October 16 and 17.

Russian sources continued to claim that Ukrainian Forces are conducting counteroffensive operations in Kherson Oblast on October 16 and 17.

Russian forces conducted ground assaults in Donetsk Oblast on October 16 and 17.

Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian concentrations of manpower and equipment in Zaporizhia Oblast on October 16 and 17.

Russian authorities continued measures to exert full control over the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).

Moscow City officials announced the completion of partial mobilization in the city on October 17, likely in an effort to subdue criticism among Moscow residents of reports of illegal mobilization in the city.

Russian and occupation administration officials continue to promote “vacation” programs to residents of Russian-occupied territories likely as pretext for the deportation of Ukrainian citizens and the resettlement of Russian citizens.

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Geromanat saying Zap offensive is imminent. LINK

This will be the battle to decide the entire war if true.

14 pages this afternoon alone. Kherson must be about to fall if the proRussian clowns are spamming the board this much.

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No, I’m saying we come to the table with peace talks with what Elon said or for them to agree to give up the Donbas and Crimea. I’m sorry, Putin is a bad evil mother fricker, but he’s dead if he completely retreats. It’s simply not happening. I’m not taking a nuke to the face over the Donbas, a region which I could not draw accurately if I tried and never fricking heard of before this year.

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A. This proves my comment
B. Just as much as Putin can’t full retreat, Ukraine is never going to agree to Elon’s suggestion, nor would any rational person in the same situation so it’s moot anyway.

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Donbas, a region which I could not draw accurately if I tried and never fricking heard of before this year.

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Really, OML?

This revelation makes your plethora of firmly formed opinions regarding this war all the more questionable. The fact that they were formed very early on and have mostly held firm is even more concerning.