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Posted on 9/17/22 at 5:30 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 5:30 pm to
ONL despite his supposedly having a degree in International Business, doesn't understand accounting functions of clearing books of old equipment and actual money being spent.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 5:32 pm to
Zero chance at air superiority.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 5:34 pm to
Prisoners are so well disciplined
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 5:44 pm to
You still don't understand the difference between accounting procedures and actual spending. Armaments in storage and likely not to be used but lend leased is money in the bank for the USA, not actually spending tax dollars.

BTW, since most of the oligarchs originated as Soviet officials and/or KGB, they have lost a great deal of influence in Ukraine since this war began. Ukraine will be much more like Europe and a lot less like Corrupt to the max Russia when this is over.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 5:57 pm to
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Russia so desperate for fighting age males that Wagner is recruiting at Russian prisons


What are the chances that after their term of enlistment Wagner just executes them? I imagine 99% of them are headed for a death sentence one way or another.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:10 pm to
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Reports of gunfire in the city of Kherson with Russian sources saying they launched a "counter-terrorist" operation. No one seems to know what's really going on right now if its Ukrainian military or partisan activity.




Based on videos that I have seen on the twatter it appears to be partisans.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:12 pm to
Interesting article in FT:

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Germany closes long energy chapter with Russia by turning on Rosneft
The seizing of oil giant’s assets another sign of Berlin’s U-turn on policy with Moscow after invasion of Ukraine


Finacial Times

I realized it is probably paywalled... frick it, all is fair in love and war (coverage).

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Germany closes long energy chapter with Russia by turning on Rosneft
The seizing of oil giant’s assets another sign of Berlin’s U-turn on policy with Moscow after invasion of Ukraine

The PCK Schwedt refinery, one of three sites the German government said it was seizing control of © Krisztian Bocsi/Bloomberg



In May 2017, Rosneft chief executive Igor Sechin came to Berlin to outline a five-year plan to double the Russian oil company’s investments in German refining to €600mn.

Cut to 2022 and Rosneft’s assets have been taken over by the German government. Sechin’s dream of downstream expansion into Europe’s largest oil products market is in ruins, a victim of the escalating energy war between Russia and the west.

On Friday, the German government said it was seizing control of Rosneft’s stakes in three German refineries — PCK in Schwedt, north-east of Berlin, MiRo in Karlsruhe and Bayernoil in the Bavarian town of Vohburg.


Olaf Scholz, chancellor, said the decision was “unavoidable”. “We have known for a long time that Russia isn’t a reliable energy provider any more,” he said. “That’s why it’s important to do everything we can now to safeguard Germany’s energy supply.”

“Ultimately this is all about Germany rediscovering the need for energy security,” said Amrita Sen, an analyst at Energy Aspects. “Germany recognises its reliance on Russia has gone too far, and now, with the embargo coming in, there is little option left.”

Indeed the trigger for the takeover was the looming EU ban on imports of Russian oil, which comes into force on January 1 and could put massive pressure on Germany’s refining industry. Russia has already severed natural gas supplies to Germany threatening a deep recession in the country this winter.

Berlin has had some success in finding alternatives to Russian crude, but the Schwedt plant presented a problem: not only does it sit right on top of a Russian pipeline, the 4,000km-long “Druzhba” or friendship line, but it is also 54 per cent owned by Rosneft, a company with little interest in refining non-Russian oil at the site.

The government, which is placing the Rosneft stakes under the trusteeship of the federal energy regulator, the Bundesnetzagentur, said Russian ownership of Schwedt and the other two refineries jeopardised their business operations.

“Key, critical service providers such as suppliers, insurance companies, banks, IT companies, but also customers, were no longer prepared to work with Rosneft,” the economy ministry said.

It is all a far cry from Sechin’s press conference in 2017, which marked the opening of Rosneft Deutschland’s new Berlin office. It was a time when German-Russian relations were on an even keel and the Kremlin was still seen by many in Germany as a reliable partner.

The optimists were personified by Michael Harms, head of the Ost-Ausschuss, the principal lobby for German investors in Russia. Appearing next to Sechin, one of President Vladimir Putin’s closest confidants, he said Rosneft’s new Berlin representation was “proof of Russia’s unwavering commitment to the European market”.


German-Russian trade had, he added, “risen dramatically” in the first two months of 2017, and the expectation was that “it will grow by 10 per cent this year, if not more”.

Sechin echoed his assessment. The volume of trade between Russia and Germany had risen fourfold between 2000 and 2013 to €56bn, with German imports from Russia tripling to €27bn and German exports to Russia rising sevenfold to €29bn. “And it’s not just oil deliveries and oil refining, but also technological co-operation,” he said, alluding to the massive market Russia had become for German manufacturers.

Yet the warm words exchanged between Sechin and Harms ran counter to the prevailing mood in many western capitals. Russia had annexed Crimea just three years previously, a violation of international law that plunged east-west relations to their lowest point since the cold war. Europe and the US responded with sanctions, some of them aimed at Rosneft.

Instead of being hurt by the west’s punitive measures, the energy partnership between Russia and Germany intensified. Russia built a new pipeline under the Baltic Sea, Nord Stream 2, that would allow it to double the volume of gas exports to Europe, bypassing Ukraine. Germany backed the project despite warnings from the US and its allies in eastern Europe that it would increase the continent’s dependence on Russia.

The close energy relationship has its roots in a historic agreement between then West Germany and the Soviet Union in 1970, whereby the Germans paid for Soviet natural gas with exports of steel pipes.

The energy system Germany relied on for 40 years effectively lies in ruins, and they can no longer afford to leave these strategic assets in Russian hands.

Henning Gloystein, analyst at Eurasia Group
The deal was underpinned by Ostpolitik, the policy of engagement with the Soviet bloc pursued by chancellor Willy Brandt in the late 1960s and 1970s.

But according to Thomas O’Donnell, a Germany-based energy analyst, it was also driven by a German desire for “strategic balancing — it was a way for Germany to break free from its dependence on the US”.

Many in the German establishment, he said, resented US dominance in energy matters and disliked “this idea of a global fungible market in oil that’s traded in dollars and protected by the US navy”. That resentment, he said, was one of the reasons why Germany kept out of the US war in Iraq in 2003. And it was why it suited Germany to have direct access to Russian oil and gas.

For decades the system worked well, with “long-term fixed assets like refineries and pipelines acting as the cement for the relationship,” said Henning Gloystein, an analyst at Eurasia Group.

Russian hydrocarbons flowed into Europe regardless of cold war tensions, and Germany was spared the expense of having to build costly liquefied natural gas terminals and other infrastructure to handle alternatives to Russian energy imports.

“But when your biggest supplier turns hostile, things break badly and they break quickly,” said Gloystein.

“The energy system Germany relied on for 40 years effectively lies in ruins, and they can no longer afford to leave these strategic assets in Russian hands.”
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45991 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:59 pm to
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Big changes in the Russian GRU are coming: the new director is expected to be Gen. Yevkurov, former deputy of Shoigu in the MoD, a hero of Russia who fought with NATO in the Balkans. Bellingcat will have less sources in the GRU, many will be fired


LINK

Damn Russia must really be running low on generals if it is appointing someone who worked with NATO to head of the GRU.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:01 pm to
At this point Russia might not have any other option rather than mass mobilization.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:02 pm to
Is he a Russian general or a Rocky and Bullwinkle character?
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:14 pm to
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Russia so desperate for fighting age males that Wagner is recruiting at Russian prisons


I wonder who plays Jim Brown in the Russian version of the dirty dozen. I guess Alex Ovechkin could do it.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45991 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:24 pm to
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Is he a Russian general or a Rocky and Bullwinkle character?




Putin has messed up bigly. He has put a NATO trained general in charge of the GRU. He will overthrow Putin and bring peace to Europe, but he will not catch Moose and Squirrel.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:41 pm to
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this point Russia might not have any other option rather than mass mobilization.


Not enough public support for this.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:44 pm to
General mobilization 7 months into this conflict comes with a whole host of consequences domestically for Putin… it’s basically admitting failure of the SMO… it would be expensive and very unpopular.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:45 pm to
Someone pulled Lukashenko’s string again



Also interesting:

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:56 pm to
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Someone pulled Lukashenko’s string again


And it's not just Poland trying to take over Belarus but Ukraine as well

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Alexander Lukashenko says that Ukraine is forming security units to overthrow the authorities in Belarus.

And, according to him, the collapse of Ukraine has already begun, and "Polish, Lithuanian and Latvian politicians naively expect to help the future in the new geopolitical realities… ."

?? Follow @Flash_news_ua


I'm guessing Putin is pushing him to commit troops and he is trying to get the public to go along with it but knows it would be incredibly unpopular
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 8:57 pm
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22600 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 8:59 pm to
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Many in the German establishment, he said, resented US dominance in energy matters and disliked “this idea of a global fungible market in oil that’s traded in dollars and protected by the US navy”. That resentment, he said, was one of the reasons why Germany kept out of the US war in Iraq in 2003. And it was why it suited Germany to have direct access to Russian oil and gas.


Oh the irony.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4708 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:14 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian forces continue to conduct meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut instead of focusing on defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives that continue to advance.


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Russian failures to rush large-scale reinforcements to eastern Kharkiv and to Luhansk Oblasts leave most of Russian-occupied northeastern Ukraine highly vulnerable to continuing Ukrainian counter-offensives


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Ukrainian forces appear to be expanding positions east of the Oskil River and north of the Siverskyi Donets River that could allow them to envelop Russian troops holding around Lyman.


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Key Takeaways

Russian forces continue to prioritize strategically meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut over defending against continued Ukrainian counter-offensive operations in Kharkiv Oblast.

Ukrainian forces liberated a settlement southwest of Lyman and are likely continuing to expand their positions in the area.

Ukrainian forces continued to conduct an interdiction campaign in Kherson Oblast.

Russian forces continued to conduct unsuccessful assaults around Bakhmut and Avdiivka.

Ukrainian sources reported extensive partisan attacks on Russian military assets and logistics in southern Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian officials continued to undertake crypto-mobilization measures to generate forces for war Russian war efforts.

Russian authorities are working to place 125 “orphan” Ukrainian children from occupied Donetsk Oblast with Russian families.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:16 pm to
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China, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan have signed a long-anticipated agreement to push ahead with the construction of a railroad linking their countries that will, if completed, establish a shorter route to Europe, bypassing sanctions-hit Russia. The three governments signed the agreement on September 14 on the sidelines of a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) in Uzbekistan.

The document does not set out a roadmap for construction of the CKU link, which was first mooted a quarter of a century ago but had struggled to get off the ground until Russia’s invasion of Ukraine breathed new impetus into it.

But it does move the project one step closer to reality, by laying out terms for a feasibility study for the Kyrgyz leg, which is the missing link to connect existing railroads in China and Uzbekistan, to be completed by the first half of 2023.


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The railroad will begin at Torugart, where there is an existing road crossing from China, and continue north through the settlements of Arpa and Makmal to Jalal-Abad, where it will link up with Uzbekistan’s rail network.

Makmal is the site of a goldmine operated by a Sino-Kyrgyz joint venture with majority Chinese ownership.

It is here that the gauge will switch from the 1.435-meter track used in China and Europe to the 1.520-meter track used in the former Soviet Union, The Economist reported recently.


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China will also need to build 160 kilometers of track to feed into the new line, according to The Economist.

If ever completed, the new link could continue south through Turkmenistan into Iran and onward to Turkey, the gateway to Europe.

That would shorten the route from China to Europe by 900 kilometers and cut eight days off the travel time, The Economist calculated.


Oilprice.com

More relatively quick movement away from Russian involvement in international trade.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 9:17 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45991 posts
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:21 pm to


Border fences (aka walls) are ok as long as they are stopping people with white skin from migrating to Europe.
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