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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18150 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:27 pm to
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How about we just concentrate on our own border with Mexico?



Do you have any clue what's happening on that border? Do you know why there have been so many Nicaraguans trying to cross it? How many Venezuelans have fled their country and are refugees?

Yours is really a dumb argument to begin with, because supporting Ukraine in no way hinders our ability to control our southern border.

But, for many years, the biggest reason for the instability in so much of Latin America has been Russian support of left-wing and communist movements.

If you care about illegal immigration to the US, you should absolutely be rooting for a Ukrainian victory over Russia.
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
Mobile,AL
Member since Dec 2012
4843 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:28 pm to
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Russian ground forces are being mauled in Karkhiv.


They already retreated and abandoned Karkhiv Oblast yesterday.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:30 pm to
Russian MilBlogger Rybar's end of the day recap
https://t.me/rybar/38680
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?????????? Attack on Donbass: the situation in the east of Ukraine
by the end of September 12, 2022

??Border territories of the Russian Federation:

??Ukrainian formations fired large-caliber shells at the village of Logachevka in the Belgorod region, as a result of which one woman was killed and several people were injured.

??Shortly before that, the Armed Forces of Ukraine also attacked the village of Tetkino in the Kursk region, slightly damaging several residential buildings.

??Kharkiv region

??The RF Armed Forces, after retreating in the Kharkov region, were able to level the front along the left bank of the Oskol River.

??Russian rocket troops and artillery launched massive strikes on the objects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kharkiv: one of the arrivals hit the building of the National Police.

??On the Limansky direction:

??Ukrainian forces have been advancing for the third day in the vicinity of the city of Liman, the defense of which is held by a small garrison of the RF Armed Forces and the People's Militia of the LPR.

The city is strategically important for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as it is located on the northern bank of the Seversky Donets and can become a potential springboard for a further offensive towards the Kremennaya and Severodonetsk agglomerations.

??According to some reports, the enemy was able to occupy part of Svyatogorsk in the north of Slavyansk, which in the future will allow attacking Liman from the northwest.

??On the Bakhmutsky (Artemovsky) direction:
??The Armed Forces of Ukraine are storming Belogorovka west of Lysychansk, increasing pressure on the grouping of allied forces in this direction. The capture of the settlement will give the enemy an additional springboard for developing an offensive towards the Severodonetsk agglomeration.

??PMC Wagner detachments continue to control individual streets in the east of Bakhmut (Artemovsk), hitting firing positions and strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the city itself and its environs.

??At the same time, units of the allied forces are fighting for the Donbasskaya electrical substation, and are also developing an offensive towards Nikolaevka Vtoroy and Otradovka.

??In Soledar, positional battles continue in the south of the city near the Knauf GIPS plant.

??On Donetsk direction:

??In the Donetsk direction, Ukrainian formations are shelling the suburbs of Donetsk and surrounding settlements.

?? Positional battles continue near Peski and Pervomaisky.

??In the Ugledar direction:

?? The Armed Forces of Ukraine are concentrating forces in the vicinity of Ugledar. This can be both a preparation for an offensive and an imitation in order to force the RF Armed Forces to transfer reinforcements and expose other areas.

??In Zaporozhye direction:

?? The Armed Forces of Ukraine have transferred units to the front line in the Orekhov region and may attempt to strike in the direction of the south of the Zaporozhye region.

??Artillery duels that have become regular across the Dnieper continue: Ukrainian forces are shelling the ZNPP from positions on the northern bank of the river in Nikopol and Marganets, to which the Russian Armed Forces respond with fire.

??On the Krivoy Rog direction:
??In the Krivoy Rog direction, positional battles continue south of Vysokopole, Olgino and in the vicinity of Novovoznesensky.



This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4384 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:33 pm to
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Picture of the woman in the link.


Bleh. What’s the point of even shaving this collaborators head?
Posted by TitusCrow
Member since Mar 2020
68 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:36 pm to
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Where I come from, it’s survival of the fittest. Ukraine played with fire and is now paying the price.


For all the isolationists here, I'm interested to know your thoughts on how us Americans might have fared in the Revolutionary War without foreign assistance from France and Spain?
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:37 pm to
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For all the isolationists here, I'm interested to know your thoughts on how us Americans might have fared in the Revolutionary War without foreign assistance from France and Spain?


An even more modern example is our assistance to Britain and the Soviets during WW2.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:57 pm to
Heres a post from the Wagner Telegram Channel discussing the need for the Russian Military to upgrade its thinking and equipment.

https://t.me/grey_zone/14985
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The bet on missiles did not work

Enough time has already passed to sum up the "strategy of precision weapons". In short, this strategy did not pay off. In military terms, sure.

If long, that expensive high-precision missiles such as Caliber and Iskander have repeatedly raised questions about high-precision, and questions about the damaging effect of warheads.

As it turned out in 6 months of the SVO, the main thing in missiles is not their beautiful flight at low altitudes, but the development of targets. Cheaper American missiles for Himars, as high-precision weapons, proved to be better, provided they had an overwhelming advantage in reconnaissance and target designation.

So far, we can conclude that non-nuclear short-range missiles are rather an expensive whim than an effective means of defeating the enemy. It is possible that if the RF Ministry of Defense and the Aerospace Forces worked more quickly in time to identify the target - to destroy the target, and used high-precision in combination with other means of attack - the effect would be different.

From the current moment, it seems that this is so far the most expensive way in history to kill a very small number of enemy soldiers.

The future belongs to installations such as Himars, Tornado-S, Uragan 1M and munitions with a diameter of 200-300 mm corrected by satellites and UAVs. And consequently, the future lies with intelligence in general, and space and unmanned intelligence in particular.

Also, the bet on quick victorious wars and military-political operations against Gerasimov did not materialize. This whole idea that a power with a large land border and weak "soft power" can cope with a small professional army turned out to be a false idea.

And this is not the first and not the second time that bribes to key individuals have given way to aggressive political propaganda, and have given the opposite result as expected. Military doctrine will have to change completely.

For the next 50 years, Russia should become a super-militarized state with a pronounced Russian cultural dominant, and the family and fertility should become not a national project, but a fixed idea. The replacement of the population by the Central Asian peoples will also have to be abandoned.

Returning to the military strategy, I note that they clearly hurried to bury the cannon and rocket artillery. With proper training and UAV reconnaissance, this is a terrible force! Much more terrible than high-precision weapons. And the focus of state efforts should be shifted there.

A nuclear power is good, but if we are not ready to use even tactical nuclear weapons, there is no point in betting on it. Tanks, motorized infantry, air defense, aviation - everything requires a deep rethinking along with the structure and controllability of troops. And in the field of tactical equipment for soldiers, it is necessary to take not a step forward, but a jump over the mountain of state orders.

Knowing your weakness can only be faced with a strong opponent. And then the matter of conclusions. The first signs that conclusions have been drawn will appear when rubble for American satellites, or our own military satellites, in quantities similar to the enemy grouping, will fly into the sky.



From the comments section
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Your words, yes to God's ears. Unfortunately, due to my age, I am more pessimistic. And it only scares, fortunately that only me. The economy is collapsing like the front right before our eyes. Events are unfolding when Russia will accept its shameful "Brest Peace". God grant that I am very mistaken, but alas, everything goes to this. Unless the generals take the reins of government into their own hands.

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With all due respect to you Admin and to your comrade Vladlen - but you are not crazy, posting such posts, then this sucks, then another !!!??? Who do you work for???!!!

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fricked up. How can you be so blind and stupid not to see such a betrayal! Don't you fricking see that this rotten management makes the worst possible decisions every time? Caliber, X101 and Iskander exist mainly for delivering accurate nuclear strikes, and not fricking delivering stupid fricking explosives from the Caspian Sea. To deliver a conventional warhead, there are guided missiles for tornadoes and hurricanes, and not cruise and ballistic missiles fricking. Where are the guided weapons and bombs for the fighters? Dagger and X101 do not count, these are strategic weapons-carriers of nuclear warheads

Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4384 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:00 pm to
Except from the Zelensky telegram post in response to Russia shelling civilian infrastructure.

“Read my lips:
Without gas or without you? Without you.
Without light or without you? Without you.
Without water or without you? Without you.
Without food or without you? Without you.”

“Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst are not as scary and deadly for us as your ‘friendship and brotherhood,'”

“But history will put everything in its place. And we will be with gas, light, water and food … and WITHOUT you!”

Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3219 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:04 pm to
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The worst possible scenarios are just too horrifying to contemplate.


Grounds for war crimes/crimes against humanity??

Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9624 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:05 pm to
This took a quick, unexpected turn away from military strategy

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For the next 50 years, Russia should become a super-militarized state with a pronounced Russian cultural dominant, and the family and fertility should become not a national project, but a fixed idea. The replacement of the population by the Central Asian peoples will also have to be abandoned.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 4:16 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18150 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:05 pm to
@michaeldweiss

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Unconfirmed, but am now hearing that Ukraine has captured "more than one" Russian general.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21631 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:07 pm to
I would hold the thousands of Russians they capture until the return of the children. Unless they had been put in biden's pedo camps, I would assume most are ok.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40257 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

This took a quick turn from military strategy

quote:
For the next 50 years, Russia should become a super-militarized state with a pronounced Russian cultural dominant, and the family and fertility should become not a national project, but a fixed idea. The replacement of the population by the Central Asian peoples will also have to be abandoned.


Wait. I thought that Ukraine was the country full of nazis?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24005 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:07 pm to
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But, for many years, the biggest reason for the instability in so much of Latin America has been Russian support of left-wing and communist movements.

If you care about illegal immigration to the US, you should absolutely be rooting for a Ukrainian victory over Russia.

Bingo!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18150 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:13 pm to
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For the next 50 years, Russia should become a super-militarized state


The really great thing is that Russia de-militarizes itself more every day. They just went through a big round of demilitarization in Kharkiv Oblast.

And when this war is over, Russia is going to be dead broke, with no money to spend on its military for a long time.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
75099 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:13 pm to
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If you care about illegal immigration to the US, you should absolutely be rooting for a Ukrainian victory over Russia.





Or we could not send billions to Ukraine and just build a wall/guard the border but thats way too smart of an idea

Instead lets send it to Zelensky so he can buy condos in Miami to stop illegal immigration
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18150 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:15 pm to
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Or we could not send billions to Ukraine and just build a wall/guard the border but thats way too smart of an idea



I favor spending more money on border security. The reason that isn't happening has nothing to do with the money we are using to support Ukraine. You know that, so why are you saying stupid stuff just to troll?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:17 pm to
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1) Russia is still our enemy. Russia supports Assad in Syria and attacks US troops there. Russia often conducts cyberattacks on US companies. Russia is supporting Iran, just as Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Etc. 2) The fight in Ukraine is a fight for religious freedom. I am a Baptist and have a special interest in Ukraine, because it has the most Baptists in continental Europe. In areas that Russia conquered in 2014, Baptist churches were closed, the Baptist Hymnal was banned, and the Ukrainian Baptist Union was branded a terrorist organization. Most Americans have no idea the extent to which Putin is fighting a religious war to re-establish the control of the Russian Orthodox Church (which is controlled by the Kremlin) over Ukraine. I will be going to Ukraine next month in an attempt to support Ukrainian Baptists. 3) The Ukrainian victory over Russia help accomplish a number of US foreign policy objectives. for example, it will eliminate outside support for the corrupt and cruel governments of Cuba and Venezuela, which cause regional instability and significantly contribute to our problems of illegal immigration. Russian defeat will clarify our policies in the Middle East and South Asia, where we have often supported corrupt governments simply due to their geopolitical influence against Russia. 4) Most of the assistance that the US is providing to Ukraine is older weapon systems that we due for replacement soon anyway. The howitzers, for example, are really ancient tech. We used HIMARS in Desert Storm. A whole bunch of javelins and ammo that we sent to Ukraine was about to expire and be disposed of. So, in one sense, we can brag that we sent $____ billion of weaponry to Ukraine, but the actual cost to the US taxpayer is far, far less. 5) The war has both greatly strengthened NATO and revealed the astonishing state of Russian weakness. As a result, Europe will now much better be able to provide for its own defense. US taxpayers will save significant money in the long run, as we will not need so many bases there. More broadly, most of the US Army's force structure has been designed to fight Russia in Europe, and that will now no longer be necessary. 6) A defeated Russia means that the US (and, to a lesser extent, our NATO allies) can refocus on China and protecting Taiwan. We will be able to decrease Army spending in some areas so that we can increase spending on the weapons that will defend Taiwan from Chinese aggression, while supporting our other Asian allies, such as Japan and South Korea. 7) In the short term, the military buildup of our European allies will result in a number of weapons orders from US arms manufacturers such as Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, etc. And the whole world is getting to see the poor performance of Russia's weapons. No one is going to want to buy Russian equipment now, which will also weaken Russia in the long term. 8) With Russia denying natural gas to Europe, American production of LNG is way up. This is a windfall for US energy producers, who will help keep Europeans warm this winter -- another economic benefit for the US. 9) The end of this war is going to result in Vladimir Putin leaving power. This will mean that a new Russia will have the opportunity to develop in more freedom. In that sense, Ukrainians aren't fighting only for their own freedom -- they are fighting for a freer world.


You don’t actually believe this nonsense do you? In a very real sense the war in Ukraine doesn’t affect the vast majority of Americans at all. Like zero. Your reasonings are the exact reasons that have been force fed to Americans for generations as an excuse to get involved in wars.

Frankly it’s just habit at this point. The defense contractors of course love it. They’re making billions. And the academics and policy makers in DC just tell themselves all that garbage to make themselves feel relevant.

Also I’m Catholic so don’t really care about the heathen Baptists

M777 howitzers are anything but ancient.

The guided HIMARS being used in Ukraine were not used in the Gulf War.

Javelin missiles have a long shelf life and the military uses the ones about to expire for training.

The entire DOD shifted its focus to China over a decade ago. The war in Ukraine has zero to do with that.

Rooting for Ukraine and the downfall of Putin is fine. But you don’t need to make up fairy tales to justify it.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22373 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:17 pm to
You’re fighting a losing battle with that one.

The aid we send Ukraine are supplies (lethal and non lethal)… not hard currency.
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9624 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

I favor spending more money on border security. The reason that isn't happening has nothing to do with the money we are using to support Ukraine. You know that, so why are you saying stupid stuff just to troll?



There are some people on here who literally think their household budget functions in the exact same way as a massively complex federal budget with fifty states.

They're also often the same idiots who think that the US can ignore roughly 190 of the 195 nations on Earth without any geopolitical problems arising.
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