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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:15 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:15 pm to
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The trend of Russian tucks finding their way into the Oskil River continues, with a REM-KL and a KAMAZ 5350 going for a swim outside of Kruhlyakivka


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Just when I think the Russian logistical system couldn't get more f**ked up. They go and drive trucks across a bridge that has been knocked out for over a month.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:30 pm to
Isw update

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Ukrainian officials framed the August 9 attack in Crimea as the start of Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the south, suggesting that the Ukrainian military expects intense fighting in August and September that could decide the outcome of the next phase of the war.


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Russian officials remain confused about the August 9 attack on the Saki Air Base in Russian-occupied Crimea, over 225km behind Russian lines, which destroyed at least eight Russian aircraft and multiple buildings.


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The Kremlin’s changing plans suggest that occupying forces will likely move up the date of the annexation referenda in occupied Ukraine.


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Ukrainian nuclear operating enterprise Energoatom Head Petro Kotin suggested that Ukrainian forces interrupt power lines leading to the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) should Russian forces start disconnecting the ZNPP from the Ukrainian power system.


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The Embassy of Uzbekistan in Russia cautioned the Uzbek diaspora that any form of participation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine is punishable by up to 10 years in Uzbek prison, effectively denouncing Russian volunteer recruitment efforts among Central Asian immigrants.


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Iran reportedly began training Russian forces on Iranian UAV systems in recent weeks, demonstrating the deepening military cooperation between Iran and Russia.


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Key Takeaways

Russian officials remain confused about the August 9 attack on the Saki Air Base in Russian-occupied Crimea, over 225km behind Russian lines, which destroyed at least eight Russian aircraft and multiple buildings.

The Kremlin’s changing plans suggest that occupying forces are most likely to move up the date of the annexation referenda in occupied Ukraine.

Annexation makes it harder to imagine any negotiated settlement to the war on any terms that Ukraine or the West could accept, demonstrating that the Kremlin is fundamentally unserious about ending the war on any terms short of a Ukrainian surrender.

Iran reportedly began training Russian forces on Iranian UAV systems in recent weeks, demonstrating the deepening military cooperation between Iran and Russia.

Russian forces conducted ground attacks west of Izyum.

Russian forces continued limited ground assaults northeast and west of Bakhmut and likely made marginal gains in these areas.

Russian forces made marginal gains northwest of Donetsk City and are continuing attempts to push northwestward from current footholds on the outskirts of Donetsk City.

Russian forces conducted multiple unsuccessful offensives north and northeast of Kharkiv City.

Russian forces conducted an unsuccessful reconnaissance-in-force operation in northwestern Kherson Oblast

Russia’s Oryol Oblast is reportedly forming a volunteer battalion.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:31 pm to
If the SU-30 aircraft that were destroyed were really the M2 variant then it’s quite possible they destroyed almost half of that type in the entire Russian fleet as of the end of 2021 there were only 19 produced.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:36 pm to
Place your bets:

1: ATACM's
2: Modified Neptune Missles
3: Their new GRIM system that has been in development
4: Something else?

https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/evidence-mounting-that-weapon-used-in-crimea-airfield-strikes-may-be-ukraine-made-missile-system.html

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A day after a wave of unexpected and destructive strikes against a critical Russian air force air base in Crimea, evidence was mounting on Aug. 11 that the weapon used most likely was a highly-capable Ukraine-produced missile system possibly thought by Moscow not to be in operation.

Saky air base, as the missile flies, is at least 150 kilometers from the closest launch sites usable by Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) units. Until Tuesday, it was unclear to the Kremlin and independent observers alike whether Ukraine had a weapon capable of shooting even close to that distance.

Ukrainian military sources on Wednesday said that the Saky strikes destroyed at least nine Russian air force planes parked at the base, and detonated multiple munitions depots. Kyiv official sources made no comment on how, and by what means, the attacks were carried out.

Andriy Tsaplienko, a high-profile Ukrainian military journalist, in an August 10 Telegram post said that the only possible tool Ukraine has to cause all that damage, at that range, was a weapon called the Grim heavy missile launcher. Other sources said the evidence supporting Grim systems as is not conclusive.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:41 pm to
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Saky air base, as the missile flies,is at least 150 kilometers from the closest launch sites,
Nice subtle dig by the writer.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:49 pm to
Outside of New Orleans, there most definitely was a communist cell in Opelousas formed by the commies who came South. It never took in SW Louisiana back then and Sen. Knowles was a champion for their rights.

The center for that activity in NOLA is the UU First Church on the corner of Jefferson and Claiborne. It got a Communist Party USA card carry member as a pastor from the Boston area in the 1950's.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 8:54 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:10 pm to
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Place your bets:

1: ATACM's
2: Modified Neptune Missles
3: Their new GRIM system that has been in development
4: Something else?


Whatever it was the hits were pinpoint. I wish we had video of the entire airfield "bombing" to get a better idea what went on. My gut looking at the sat photos says fairly small warheads and HUGE secondary explosions. The distance away that planes got cooked is amazing.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8666 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:28 pm to
Just my guess but looking at the blast damage, size of the craters and accuracy of the strikes I would think Ukraine secretly had a small stockpile of ATACMS and sent a few downrange. Maybe the Ukrainians really do have a few GRIM systems ready for use but regardless if they do or not it only helps them to keep Russia thinking and worrying that they do have that capability so mums the word for Ukraine as it should be. Eventually it will come out what was used either by the Russians finding fragments of what munition was used or by the Ukrainians attacking another high value far away target like the Crimean Bridge. Whatever it was though worked like a charm. There aren’t very many more high value targets in war than airfields and they fricked that one 6 ways from Sunday.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 11:45 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:42 pm to
Would you conclude that Russians are sloppy with storing munitions?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45728 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:47 pm to
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Place your bets:

1: ATACM's
2: Modified Neptune Missles
3: Their new GRIM system that has been in development
4: Something else?


I will bet on the Grim2/Thunder2 or some other ballistic missile.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:58 pm to
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Would you conclude that Russians are sloppy with storing munitions?


I think the question is can they (afford) not be sloppy?

With the Western intel the Ukrainians are getting it is hard to hide them. Keeping them out of range or limiting the ordinance in one place helps but both of them limit their capabilities. If they can't protect them by stopping the incoming fire they are between a rock and a hard place. Either try to absorb the losses or accept the logistical issues of long final supply routes for munitions or use a bunch of smaller ammo dumps which also causes logistical issues.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:28 pm to
This is not a new base, so it would seem that munitions would be stored in a hardened bunker
Posted by Rambler
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:40 pm to
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Place your bets:

1: ATACM's
2: Modified Neptune Missles
3: Their new GRIM system that has been in development
4: Something else?



I'll guess ATACM'S that they got from Romania and/or Turkey.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30696 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:46 pm to
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This is not a new base, so it would seem that munitions would be stored in a hardened bunker


Now that is indeed sloppy.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8666 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:56 pm to
The Russians aren’t very great at anything and they still load and unload their munitions by hand but sorry if a cigarette did that it must be a nuclear cigarette. The point was made that Ukraine can hit the Crimea Bridge which changes how Russia defends it’s southern flank.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45728 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 6:35 am to
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I'll guess ATACM'S that they got from Romania and/or Turkey.


I’m doubting it was an ATACMs because they have not been given any. I’m doubtful of cruise missile attack like a Neptune or Harpoon because there was an S400 battery covering the base. There are atleast 3 separate impact craters shown so atleast 3 missiles were used in the attack. The S400 should have detected and engaged 3 or more cruise missiles heading to Crimea from mainland Ukraine. So unless the Russians really are as incompetent as we have been joking about them being, I am betting on a ballistic missile which the S400 would not be able to engage. Ukraine does have a local missile industry that built rockets based off of of former Soviet ICBMs for the Russian space agency as recently as 2014. They also had tactical ballistic missile systems underdevelopment for years. So that’s the most plausible scenario in my book.


However if it was a cruise missile attack. I wonder how long it will take Turkey to ask Russia for a refund on the S400s it bought from them?
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 9:22 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45728 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 6:50 am to
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The point was made that Ukraine can hit the Crimea Bridge which changes how Russia defends it’s southern flank.


It changes how it defends itself on other flanks to. If the Crimean bridge is vulnerable then there are a lot of targets inside Russia which are vulnerable like the key bridges across the Volga River in Volgograd and the Don River near Voronezh. Without the rail links across the Volga River Russia can’t move anything from Asian Russia to the battle field, and without Don Russia can’t move anything from Moscow to the battle field without transferring stuff to ships and shipping to the ports on the Sea of Azov which are also being attacked now. I bet there are some tight sphincters in Moscow praying that it was a US/NATO supplied weapon because those are atleast not supposed to be used inside Russia.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5741 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:07 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 11 August 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russia is highly unlikely to be capable of fulfilling some export orders for armoured fighting vehicles because of the exceptional demand for vehicles for Russia's own forces in Ukraine, and the increasing effect of Western sanctions.

Belarus has recently released details of a new domestically upgraded T-72B main battle, tank (MBT). Belarus probably developed this alternative solution in place of an MBT modification programme previously contracted to Russian state-owned company UralVagonZavod.

Russia has long considered the defence industry to be one of its most important export successes. However, its military industrial capacity is now under significant strain, and the credibility of many of its weapon systems has been undermined by their association with Russian forces' poor performance in the Ukraine war.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5741 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:19 am to
Britain to send more M270 multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine

The United Kingdom is doubling the number of multiple rocket launchers for Ukraine.

Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said this in a comment to the BBC, Ukrinform reports.

Wallace said this in Copenhagen, where he is participating in an international conference with allies who promise to continue military and financial support for Ukraine.

UKRINFORM
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 7:21 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:29 am to
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1: ATACM's
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