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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/13/22 at 4:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 7/13/22 at 4:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
Ukraine Negotiating To Receive Missiles For HIMARS With Range Of Up To 300 km
- 300km/186 mile reach is the ATACMS
Ukraine is negotiating with the United States of America to receive long-range missiles for HIMARS, which will be able to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 km, said Fedir Venislavskyi, a member of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense. TSN reported this on Wednesday, July 13.
Ukrainian News Agency
- 300km/186 mile reach is the ATACMS
Ukraine is negotiating with the United States of America to receive long-range missiles for HIMARS, which will be able to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 km, said Fedir Venislavskyi, a member of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense. TSN reported this on Wednesday, July 13.
Ukrainian News Agency
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Posted on 7/13/22 at 4:53 pm to ruff fish
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Below is one of the many videos of the Western arms trade. In this video, the buyer's car with Albanian numbers. Let's go to Europe NLAW and Javelin.
I mean Nato and EU sound alarm over risk of Ukraine weapons smuggling
But you are going to completely ignore all the black market Russian arms in saying this?
Ukraine, after war, becomes a trove for black market arms trade
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Interviews by Reuters with security officials and rebels, as well as study of law enforcement data and court documents have shown that weapons are being channeled out of the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine in significant numbers, in some cases as part of an organized underground trade.
“Of course, they have moved arms across, and they’re moving them across now,” Igor, a fighter with a pro-Russian rebel unit in eastern Ukraine told Reuters in an interview. “Mainly they take Kalashnikovs,” he said.
Russian Intelligence Supports Dubious Arms Deals
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"Our intelligence services observe and often control almost all arms dealers active in Moscow," says one insider. Another industry expert describes the conspiratorial business model in the following words: "Clandestine arms sales are made through companies founded by retired GRU officers." Active GRU agents supervise these deals, according to the expert, and the profits are divided up, with Russian intelligence pocketing about 30 percent.
The arms deals have grown to such proportions that even Russia's foreign intelligence service, the SVR, now cautions against the damage the "gray arms market" in the successor states of the former Soviet Union is doing to Russia's image. According to one classified document, "former employees of the intelligence services of Russia and Ukraine are becoming increasing conspicuous in the global arms trade."
In addition to a dozen Russian weapons barons, dealers from Israel and Pakistan are also active in the Moscow arms scene. Following the expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe, dealers who had once operated in the Czech Republic, Poland and Bulgaria have now moved eastward. In one case, a Pakistani living in Moscow and posing as a textile merchant reportedly arranged for the sale of helicopters and X-55 cruise missiles to Pakistan.
I hope you are just as concerned about Russian's arms ending up on the black market as you appear to be about Western arms
Posted on 7/13/22 at 4:57 pm to cypher
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Ukraine Negotiating To Receive Missiles For HIMARS With Range Of Up To 300 km
My oh my...
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:25 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The rape of Belgium was British propaganda
The British were damn good at propaganda, and a lot of "the rape of Belgium" was exaggerated. But a lot of the atrocities were very real. Russia in Ukraine mirrors this. Armies often behave badly when they faced with unexpected resistance.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:28 pm to Tigris
And the Russian army routinely does this. Lima knows this.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:31 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russian's arms ending up on the black market
At drastically reduced prices I'm sure
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:40 pm to Lakeboy7
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At drastically reduced prices I'm sure
"How much for a missile system that won't do a 180 after launch and take out my own guys?"
"100 million."
"Hmmm. What else ya got?"
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:56 pm to cypher
It was only a matter of time before we sent the ATACMS, they just needed to see how Ukraine utilized the HIMARS first before giving them the long munitions for it. I still don’t think they will be in large numbers, maybe 100-200 to start but that just those can make a very big impact. There will be predetermined targets that the Ukrainians will ok with the us before we send them over. They will be the extreme of the extreme of high value targets. Bridges, railways, airfields, large ammo dumps, armored columns, etc.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:13 pm to LSUPilot07
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It was only a matter of time before we sent the ATACMS
I agree. In addiition to the increase in range, there are several payload variants, one of which would be most suitable for some of the targets you mention:
the 500 lb WDU-18/B penetrating high explosive blast fragmentation warhead of the US Navy's Harpoon anti-ship missile.
I would also add SAM and other missile installations to your list. Crimea especially is covered up with them
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The rape of Belgium was British propaganda, London wanted to draw the US into the war.
Not according to Belgian friends. It definitely was real. One thing that Belgium did for its war dead is free college education. A now deceased Belgian biz friend's father was able to be the first in his family to go to college due the father was killed in battle. Before then only the wealthy could afford a university.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:58 pm to SOSFAN
Russia is spending itself into bankruptcy, in spite of temporarily high oil prices. EVERYTHING is much more expensive in Russia for Russians. It's munitions business is now seen as a joke. It's vulnerabilities are exposed.
Reagan had lots of small wars in the Americas, and Africa besides Afghanistan. BTW, the assessment of what weapons needed was paid for by CATO Institute. That is because Classic Liberals are about everyone, even abroad, being free. Libertarians could take some lessons from others besides Uncle Martin looking guy.
Reagan had lots of small wars in the Americas, and Africa besides Afghanistan. BTW, the assessment of what weapons needed was paid for by CATO Institute. That is because Classic Liberals are about everyone, even abroad, being free. Libertarians could take some lessons from others besides Uncle Martin looking guy.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 7:04 pm to Tigris
A lot of merchant Marines in WW1 would disagree too
Posted on 7/13/22 at 7:08 pm to Jim Rockford
The French did the vast majority of the fighting in WWI. They were encircled due poor communications when they could have stopped the Germans. They also fought their butts off to keep the Germans from wiping out the British at Dunkirk.
French intel agents are who got Reagan's people out of trouble when they are trying to help the small wars against the Soviets backed governments there.
The French get a bad and undeserved rap of being surrender monkeys. Even Dubai has contracted with France for its defense and the Saudis used the French to oust the extremists who occupied Mecca several decades back.
French intel agents are who got Reagan's people out of trouble when they are trying to help the small wars against the Soviets backed governments there.
The French get a bad and undeserved rap of being surrender monkeys. Even Dubai has contracted with France for its defense and the Saudis used the French to oust the extremists who occupied Mecca several decades back.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 7:12 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
Also meant to compliment earlier on the bridge. HIMARs striking the Crimean bridge. I think that island in the middle would be ideal. Even if you miss left or right or in the middle of the 2 bridges there is a higher potential to do a little structural damage. I'm basing my opinions on nothing other than Google maps and my experience with blowing up a could of beaver dams.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 7:40 pm to cypher
The bridge to Crimea is a prime target IMO. The ATACMS also has a long range anti personnel variant called the Block 1 that is a huge guided fragmentation munition that can hit large infantry areas in the rear off the front lines. The Russians have clearly been caught off guard by the arrival of this system to the battlefield. Between the HIMARS and CAESAR systems they have allowed Ukraine to combat the difference in quantity of howitzers and shells by attacking ammunition sites more versus the actual gun emplacements. Russia also most likely needs a pullback period to overhaul its guns too. The barrels to those guns cannot withstand the amount of firing they have been doing.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 7:44 pm to LSUPilot07
ISW update
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Key Takeaways
The Kremlin likely ordered Russian “federal subjects” (regions) to form volunteer battalions to deploy to Ukraine.
Russian forces conducted failed ground assaults north of Slovyansk and around Bakhmut.
Russian forces continued air and artillery strikes around Siversk and west of Donetsk City.
Russian forces continued targeting Ukrainian rail lines on the Eastern Axis.
Russian forces attempted limited and unsuccessful ground assaults north of Kharkiv City.
Russian forces prioritized defensive operations on the Southern Axis as Ukrainian forces continued targeting ammunition depots.
Russian occupation authorities are increasing financial incentives for civilians working in occupied Ukraine.
Russian occupation authorities may be setting conditions to forcibly relocate Ukrainian children in occupied territories to Crimea.
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The Kremlin likely ordered Russian “federal subjects” (regions) to form volunteer battalions to participate in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, instead of declaring partial or full mobilization in Russia.
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Volunteer battalions could generate around 34,000 new servicemen by the end of August if each federal subject produces at least one military unit of 400 men.
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Russian milbloggers criticized the Russian military on July 12 for sourcing Iranian UAVs to improve artillery targeting in Ukraine while failing to address the command issues that more severely limit the effectiveness of Russian artillery.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 7:57 pm to StormyMcMan
A little more of the volunteer stuff
As for the children the main article basically says the Russians want to start school in September, but transport all the children to Crimea for their education
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Russian forces continued to recruit and form additional regional volunteer battalions throughout Russia on July 13. Kazan regional news outlet Biznes Online reported that the Republic of Tatarstan established and dispatched the “Alga” volunteer battalion for a month-long training program before committing it to the “special military operation” in Ukraine.[41] The Republic of Tatarstan will deploy two volunteer battalions in total and pay servicemen 2,000 rubles (approximately $34) per day in addition to a one-time 260,000 ruble payment (approximately $4,450) for enlisting out of the republic’s budget.[42] The Russian Defense Ministry will reportedly pay servicemen a starting monthly salary of 170,000 rubles (approximately $2,900).[43] Biznes Online estimated that each battalion will have over 400 servicemen, and reported that 300 to 350 men already have already passed the selection process for the second volunteer battalion “Timer.”[44] Russian opposition outlet Meduza reported that Moscow officials began recruitment for the newly-established “Sobyanskiy Polk” regiment on July 1 and are offering over 200,000 rubles per month (approximately $3,400) to volunteers out of the Moscow City budget.[45] Meduza noted that men from regions other than Moscow City predominantly registered for the “Sobyanskiy Polk” as of July 13. Meduza stated that former commander of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Militia Roman Vysotsky is one of the recruiters for “Sobyanskiy Polk,” but it is unclear if the regiment will merge with DNR forces. Ukraine’s Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT) obtained a document stating that Krasnoyarsk Krai allocated 120 million rubles (approximately two million dollars) to recruit 400 servicemen from the region.[46]
As for the children the main article basically says the Russians want to start school in September, but transport all the children to Crimea for their education
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:21 pm to Stidham8
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uick reality check for the board.
“Biden sanctions collapse, as Ukraine piles up losses & hemorrhages cash”
Here is a quick reality check for you Stupid8.
The Russians are struggling to recruit 40,000 new troops to replace its casualties. Even if Russia is able to achieve its recruiting goals it will only gets it forces in Ukraine back up to 200,000. Those 200,000 troops have to defend a front that is approximately 1000 km long. Russia is also running out of modern equipment and is having to use tanks from the early stages of the cold war and even WWII.
Ukraine has 1 million troops ready to fight the Russians. Thanks to NATO repairing and supplying Ukraine with Soviet tanks it now has between 1800-2000 modernized late cold-war Soviet tanks to take on the Russians. Not to mention that Ukraine is receiving more advanced weapons from NATO on a daily basis and it has also started repleting its artillery ammo stores with the shells being made in Romania and Bulgaria in addition to the factories it still has up and running.
Ukraine has a 4 to 1 advantage in manpower, the advantage in technology, and has western military officials advising them and providing them with intel. When it does launch its next counterattack the Russians will be f**ked.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:24 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Also meant to compliment earlier on the bridge. HIMARs striking the Crimean bridge. I think that island in the middle would be ideal. Even if you miss left or right or in the middle of the 2 bridges there is a higher potential to do a little structural damage. I'm basing my opinions on nothing other than Google maps and my experience with blowing up a could of beaver dams.
It's going to be a long time before the Ukies are able to strike the Kerch Straits bridge. They do not have any cruise missiles that can reach it unless their forces advance to within Crimea itself. HIMAARs ain't going to get close either. Plus the amount SAM systems the Russians have deployed to defend the bridge is insane.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:32 pm to WeeWee
If the US gives them ATACM's then the bridge will be in range
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