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Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:41 am to SOSFAN
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:42 am to lowspark12
quote:We are incapable of tackling one issue, let alone two at once.
You guys keep spouting this bull shite line like the US is incapable of tackling two issues at the same time
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:45 am to OMLandshark
Strictly in terms of this thread… you can absolutely separate the two. Updates about the war can be made without political commentary.
There are small minded people who are incapable of keeping politics out of every discussion… they see the world through the narrow lense of their own political ideology… if only there were a place on TD for these types….
There are small minded people who are incapable of keeping politics out of every discussion… they see the world through the narrow lense of their own political ideology… if only there were a place on TD for these types….
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:46 am to lowspark12
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:51 am to SOSFAN
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'm still waiting for all the posters on here, that say we should be sending money to Ukraine, to post their personal checks that they sent.
They gave everything to the guy with the cardboard sign at the overpass.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:52 am to OMLandshark
Every fricking war is for political and economic internet, Iraqi was about oil reserves, Afghanistan was about blocking Russians attempt to have warm water access, Vietnam was about the industrial military complex making money, same shite about Korea and it was a feel the other side out, WW2 was about natural alliances and a lot of bad blood left over from
WW1, etc etc
WW1, etc etc
Posted on 7/1/22 at 11:56 am to TutHillTiger
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:00 pm to OMLandshark
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When they were conquering neighboring states, the neighboring state would then go and plead with a large enemy of theirs that did not border the Mongol Empire at the time. They warned their enemy if they didn’t join them and help them, then they would be next to fall to the Mongols.
Which campaigns are you referring to though? In the campaign in the Caucasus, this wasn't the game. Nor was it the game with respect to the Abbasids, nor in the Levant, to my memory. Maybe with respect to the Persian campaign it might be true, but your description of Asian geopolitics of the time is too general.
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I’m not a power hungry mass murderer though. If I were Putin, I would have never invaded Ukraine. Asking what I’d do in this situation is pretty pointless given what Putin has done throughout his life.
Then on what basis are you suggesting that Putin use nukes? Did you already forget the argument you made? You just undermined your own point. Again, on what basis are you suggesting that Putin would use nukes against a NATO country? On what specific pieces of evidence?
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In this hypothetical scenario, yes. Just snap all the major powers instantly with a nuclear arsenal.
Then mutually-assured destruction would be at play.
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You need to read the final chapter of Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or watch Downfall. The final 10 days of the war was a total shite show.
I've done both, none of which undermines my point about the complicated bureaucracy which would have to execute such a decision. How is it that you can never actually address a specific point directly?
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Y’all sure are treating this like one.
I'm not. In geopolitics, you have to make hard decisions. You don't have the benefit of hindsight and each decision you make always leads to untold consequences. In this case, the calculus is this: if the Russians win in Ukraine, what is to stop them from assuring their security elsewhere? In other words, if security concerns are so great for Putin that he risks an invasion, what is there to stop him from justifying everything as a security concern? The choice then becomes not about whether to spend money, but what is the consequence you want to deal with. In that metric, dealing with a battalion Neo-Nazis is better than dealing with a nuclear-armed state hellbent on satisfying whatever security issues it imagines. Again, in real-life, there are no easy choices. In some sense, you are always playing a negative-sum game. There are situations where you can begin a positive-sum game, but here we likely know how Putin is going to behave, which will only lead to negative-sum consequences for everyone. So what route should we take?
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Stalin infamously did this in the war efforts, to the point when even his own son was captured by the Nazis that Stalin disowned him rather than do a prisoner exchange
Is that accurate? From the book Molotov Remembers:
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:03 pm to lowspark12
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There are small minded people who are incapable of keeping politics out of every discussion… they see the world through the narrow lense of their own political ideology… if only there were a place on TD for these types
Actually the small minded people are the ones incapable of using their own thoughts and just being led by the media.
Again this is a political conflict to say otherwise is simply a lack of of being able to see the whole picture.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:05 pm to SOSFAN
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Actually the small minded people are the ones incapable of using their own thoughts and just being led by the media.
By what media?
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Again this is a political conflict to say otherwise is simply a lack of of being able to see the whole picture.
Every conflict between humans is by necessity political.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:07 pm to Scruffy
My work browser is set to MSN. The articles are so laughable. You would think Russia has lost millions of soldiers just to the ghost of Kiev alone.
The propaganda is incredible. I've never seen anything like it. But the media is built to make people feel good, not report truth. Anyone not suspicious of this overwhelming false narrative is really dumb.
The propaganda is incredible. I've never seen anything like it. But the media is built to make people feel good, not report truth. Anyone not suspicious of this overwhelming false narrative is really dumb.
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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Every conflict between humans is by necessity political.
Glad you agree that to discuss the conflict properly that you have to also discuss the political side of the situation.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:20 pm to RLDSC FAN
We are at the apartment building outside Odesa struck by Russia last night. The same massive anti-ship missile that hit Kremenchuk. This place was crushed as people slept in their beds. #ukraine
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The propaganda is incredible. I've never seen anything like it. But the media is built to make people feel good, not report truth. Anyone not suspicious of this overwhelming false narrative is really dumb.
If the media actually reported the truth you wouldn't have people wanting to keep sending money and equipment to Ukraine. How many Ukraine and Russians have died because of the media's propaganda reporting
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:24 pm to OMLandshark
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The Song Dynasty in regards to the Xin and Liao dynasty come to mind. And I am indeed referring to the Persians as well.
It might be less true as the Mongols went further west, but the Mongol invasion of the Jin occurred simultaneously to Song competition with the Jin. I don't remember it being the case that the Song built up the Mongols, but rather allied with them out of convenience.
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I didn’t specifically say nukes on this occasion, but cruise missiles, sure. Maybe a MOAB. I’m not going to underestimate him save for his military equipment. I think we’ve seen all the practical arms he’s sitting on at this point.
But MAD is almost assured in both scenarios, regardless of what is weapon is used first.
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I’m saying Hitler openly said that he’d rather have every German die than be subjected to the Bolsheviks and him losing. In this fantasy scenario where he couldn’t nuke Moscow or London, he’d nuke all of Germany into obliteration.
And he'd still have to rely on other people to execute such an order.
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I’m just saying never underestimate a cornered animal.
I don't think Russia is a cornered animal. It's more like a bad-faith bully who feigns injury every time you stand up to them.
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Well that’s the line. If he directly attacks a NATO nation, then it’s war. Until then, leave us out of it.
So attempting to mitigate the potential of a war with NATO through Ukraine is somehow beyond the pale? It seems like you are agreeing with using Ukraine in that regard.
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I double checked before posting that to make sure I remembered it correctly.
I have to believe Molotov over you in this regard until you post some evidence.
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:24 pm to SOSFAN
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Glad you agree that to discuss the conflict properly that you have to also discuss the political side of the situation.
Where have I shied away from political discussion? Give me an example.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:28 pm to DabosDynasty
Erdogan will continue to toy with all sides, to get the biggest cut possible.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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Where have I shied away from political discussion? Give me an example.
If you kept up with the discussion going on you would have seen where other posters said you can separate politics from the war discussion so I was simply saying thank you for saying it was about politics.
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