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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/12/22 at 7:44 pm to Stidham8
Posted on 6/12/22 at 7:44 pm to Stidham8
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So why do you care then?
He doesn’t know.
I already stated my reason. Anything that blocks Russian aggression, and weakens Russia is good as long as our men and women are not put at risk.
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 7:57 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:00 pm to doubleb
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:02 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Pro UK
I think the British organized it. They did the same thing in Syria.
I think the British organized it. They did the same thing in Syria.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:05 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:20 pm to OMLandshark
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Someone also thought this with Russia once without any nuance, and it led to the deaths of 120 million people:
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without any nuance, and it led to the deaths of 120 million people:
That’s not Neville Chamberlain and he was scared of a weak Germany. If his government and France step up to the plate things would have been different, but like you they were afraid.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:23 pm to OMLandshark
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I love asking this to the warmongers, but here is my question yet again: “Where do you think this ends?”
What did Putin say? He started it all. He is the warmonger here.
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I know where it ends, but do you think it’s going to be all sunshine and rainbows should Ukraine win? I
Please keep it to yourself and don’t spoil it for the rest of us.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:35 pm to OMLandshark
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here is my question yet again: “Where do you think this ends?” I know where it ends, but do you think it’s going to be all sunshine and rainbows should Ukraine win? If you think so, you are wrong.
I think a much smaller less subtantial Ukraine comes out of this with less natural resources and less port access to the Black sea. I think Russia takes a short term hit in terms of political and military prestige.
Lomg-term, Russia emerges with more resources, more access and a greater economy (Long term, people's memories are short and Germany and France are chomping at the bit to send money to Putin).
This is not something I support therefore I believe we should assist Ukraine in their fight against Russia.
If you are worried about how your taxes are spent lets talk about rolling back some other areas to cut. Plenty of those available.
Where do you think it ends? Please don't say nuclear war.
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:01 pm to doubleb
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40 Billion to wear out Russia seems like a good investment to me. They would do out his and have before.
That was the May aid package. Total is closer to $54 billion to last until sometime in September supposedly. Besides house just adding $7 billion to President’s request the bill included a huge increase in weapons while still not really having a good ability to track them.
I know Biden left $7 billion in military equipment for the Taliban and was VP during Fast and Furious, the arming of rebels in Libya with some going to terrorists (maybe even those who later murdered our ambassador there), and then the arming of rebels in Syria with some going to ISIS, but maybe if he remembers any of it he has finally learned his lesson…
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:04 pm to Athanatos
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My only complaint with the US actions so far is that it’s too little maybe too late.
The NY Times should have run the Hunter laptop story earlier.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:07 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I think the reservations most of us have who aren't blindly "Standing with Ukraine!" are on several counts. Firstly, it's not our fight. Russia has shown themselves to be in no way, shape or form a global power. They are wrecking their military fighting a third rate power in Ukraine. Western Europe can provide their billions to Ukraine if they're worried about Russia. They have the resources.
Secondly, you know as well as I do that very little of that $40 billion is going to actual beans, bullets and bandaids. A good percentage of it will never make it out of the Beltway.
Thirdly, the Zelensky corruption machine. There's a reason we've been given the hard sell by every media outlet about how it's our duty to unquestioningly support Ukraine. Only the most naive or partisan among us refuse to acknowledge that Ukraine isn't the most sympathetic of victims. The usual suspects of DC crooks and power players are knee deep in the stench of Ukrainian corruption. So pardon me if I don't feel it's my duty to mankind to dump more money down the Beltway rat hole.
Secondly, you know as well as I do that very little of that $40 billion is going to actual beans, bullets and bandaids. A good percentage of it will never make it out of the Beltway.
Thirdly, the Zelensky corruption machine. There's a reason we've been given the hard sell by every media outlet about how it's our duty to unquestioningly support Ukraine. Only the most naive or partisan among us refuse to acknowledge that Ukraine isn't the most sympathetic of victims. The usual suspects of DC crooks and power players are knee deep in the stench of Ukrainian corruption. So pardon me if I don't feel it's my duty to mankind to dump more money down the Beltway rat hole.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:21 pm to OMLandshark
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Because they lead to actual large wars and can empower horrific radicals. Again, read a fricking history book. Let’s keep arming the Azov Regiment and see how that ends. You people don’t know what you’re advocating for.
I swear you would be have been championing hitler appeasement in WWII
But just so I understand correctly you're cool with Putin taking over whatever the hell he wants without consquence because you're scared he will use nukes if we do anything?
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:21 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:21 pm to Athanatos
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That’s the best part, we sell more weapons, which allows us to spend more on R&D, which allows us to maintain technical superiority over our adversaries, which prevents direct conflict because our adversaries know they would lose if they attacked us directly.
Sell???
Are we ensuring these weapons will never end up in hands of our adversaries including Russia?
Besides terrorists and Russia it would not surprise me if China is paying good money for samples of some of the newer stuff being sent. Some leadership in Ukraine and in the US for that matter making money coming and going also wouldn’t surprise me especially when China is involved.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:23 pm to OMLandshark
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Ummm, no it’s not the correct answer. I love asking this to the warmongers, but here is my question yet again: “Where do you think this ends?” I know where it ends, but do you think it’s going to be all sunshine and rainbows should Ukraine win? If you think so, you are wrong.
Since you know where this ends, assuming Russia wins, what then? Unicorns and rainbows?
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:26 pm to StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:29 pm to OMLandshark
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With that said, where are you with the attrocities done to Xinjiang, or Tibet, or Inner Mongoli
Well if you can find my stance anywhere I'd be shocked but assume away if you must.
For the record I think it's terrible and we don't do shite to make the situation any better. All the actions the US has taken are just in show and don't mean anything. We need to do more in this situation.
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Come back to me when you’re as appalled by this as you are in Yemen
Civil wars are a little different. Iran and Saudi sticking their noses in it doesn't help anything over there though.
But just to confirm you're cool with Ukraine atrocities because nukes, but think Yemen and China need to be held accountable?
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:30 pm to OMLandshark
Putin is not getting Moscow and St Petersburg incinerated because he didn't get his way in Ukraine. Calm down.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:33 pm to OMLandshark
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Russia wins, then they own Ukraine or the Donbas and do atrocities. W
So everything is fine if Russia takes over Ukraine? No further international issues only "domestic" ones? But if Ukriane actually wins there will be terrible international issues? I honestly fail to follow your doomcasting logic
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:36 pm to StormyMcMan
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