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Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:36 am to sanora
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he was jogging through the neighborhood like he apparently had done pretty regularly
Actually, video shows the opposite. He was walking down the street, then walked into the yard, then looked around to make sure none was looking, then started running when the neighbors yelled at him.
He was not jogging up until the time he tried to run from the neighbors then run from the vigilantes. In work boots, no less. The guy was 100% up to no good. Sealed his fate when he decided to wrestle away the shotgun.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:37 am to Barstools
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In work boots, no less
No proof of that.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:52 am to East Coast Band
quote:Or breaking and entering. But your point still stands, it's not robbery.
It would be "burglary", not "robbery".
Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:30 am to bigpetedatiga
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But he said it’s now unlikely his family will ever move into the Brunswick home because he’s faced death threats and his wife is too afraid.
Who would threaten the owner of the house that lives 90 minutes away and wasn’t there that day? And why?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:15 am to JohnnyKilroy
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His whole video is based on it being a dwelling. It doesn't meet that legal definition.
It does though according to GA.
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(1) “Dwelling” means any building, structure, or portion thereof which is designed or intended for occupancy for residential use. (
He may be full of shite. But it still may be hard to get a murder conviction.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 7:20 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:17 am to JudgeHolden
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There’s no proof he had an a-hole. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t.
Absence of proof doesn’t prove anything.
So why is he being called a jogger?
And does that mean absence of proof of stealing doesn't prove he wasn't right?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 7:19 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:51 am to Jinglebob
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Let's not forget that Arbery would likely still be alive today if he had not charged a man with a gun and started beating his arse.
Dude had every right to pump him full of lead after that. Self defense brah.
For the millionth time, you cannot initiate a confrontation, and then claim self defense when that confrontation doesn't go so well for you.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:03 am to Barstools
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Actually, video shows the opposite. He was walking down the street, then walked into the yard, then looked around to make sure none was looking, then started running when the neighbors yelled at him.
He was not jogging up until the time he tried to run from the neighbors then run from the vigilantes. In work boots, no less. The guy was 100% up to no good. Sealed his fate when he decided to wrestle away the shotgun.
That surveillance video doesnt show much. All it shows was he was walking at the moment. We have no idea wtf he was doing that day. He may have been walking to/from a friends house. He may have been out for a jog and took a break. Could he have been up to no good, it is possible but we do not know.
And its all because the vigilantes as you mentioned. This is not Green Arrow or Batman. Vigilantes are not ok in real life. They did not witness him commit a felony. Because this is the case, they were not legally allowed to detain Ahmad at gunpoint.
You cannot assume someone is up to no good and decide to do a citizen's arrest. The law does not work like that at all.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:05 am to dgnx6
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It does though according to GA.
Lol no.
A structure without doors or windows is not designed or intended for occupancy for residential use.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:10 am to JPLSU1981
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I don’t think it matters if he actually committed a crime or not...if they had reasonable and probable suspicion through observance that he was committing a crime then technically that would allow them to proceed.
No....they had to have direct personal knowledge of him committing a felony....if no crime was committed how is it possible for them to have direct personal knowledge that a felony was committed????
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:13 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Lol no.
A structure without doors or windows is not designed or intended for occupancy for residential use.
Come on man. It's a house. Why are houses built?
You stated its intended use.
I'm just looking at it from what angle their lawyer might have to establish they had a right to a citizens arrest.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:26 am to dgnx6
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Come on man. It's a house.
No sorry. Definitions matter.
It will eventually become a dwelling. It's not intended for occupancy as a residence in its current state.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:29 am to arcalades
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This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 7:55 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:35 am to arcalades
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this is my take as well. sucks that he died but the truth is that Aubrey is the one who actually attacked.
As did Trey’von Martin
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:35 am to dgnx6
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Come on man. It's a house. Why are houses built?
You stated its intended use.
I'm just looking at it from what angle their lawyer might have to establish they had a right to a citizens arrest.
Even if the house were 100% finished there are still 2 missing pieces.
1.
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A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling house of another or any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other such structure designed for use as the dwelling of another.
You'd have a hard time proving intent of felony or theft within the dwelling. He left. If anything, the screenshots going around of someone who is allegedly AA entering the site on 5 different occasions and taking nothing establishes a pattern of the exact opposite of intent of theft: that he habitually trespassed but never stole.
2. Even if a burglary were to have occurred, the McMichaels, by their own admission, followed him on a hunch. Not because they had direct knowledge of any crime. This invalidates their citizen's arrest.
ETA: the video going around of the "former cop" analyzing the situation fails on the first point hard. He gets hung up there because his only way to "prove intent" was to say "come on man, he wasn't looking around for where he thinks a couch would go. What else would he be doing?" I'm sorry, but that doesn't prove intent.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:36 am to JPLSU1981
Have an upvote
Posted on 5/13/20 at 1:01 am to bigpetedatiga
Boy. Say want you want about CNN and Chris Cuomo but the interview tonight was damning. Those baws are fricked beyond fricked.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 5:06 am to JPLSU1981
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This former cop breaks it down pretty well:
Wrong. Former cop is just looking for 2 minutes of fame. He cites "facts" that aren't facts.
Former cop called it a dwelling. House was under construction as seen in video. The construction house was inhabitable in this video.
Because of the above, not breaking an entering, just criminal trespassing.
This has been discussed ad nauseum in another thread.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 6:10 am to Sao
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Boy. Say want you want about CNN and Chris Cuomo but the interview tonight was damning. Those baws are fricked beyond fricked.
Yeah I just saw the video of Roddy and his lawyer on CNN. Looks like their defense is going to be "we're cooperating fully, the McMichaels did all this and my client was an innocent bystander who caught it on video."
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