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KungFlu related: simple instruction in statistical analysis, Louisiana.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:16 pm
The worst part of this entire pandemic has been learning that the vast majority of people can't decide what data are valid and which are not.
Too long? Scroll to the end.
The reality is that with the incomplete information we are being given, you would be forced to assume cases are increasing at one rate, while deaths are increasing at another.
The reality is the the deaths depend on cases. If you can predict cases you can predict deaths.
The issue arises from testing. We are selectively testing those who we believe have the virus. This is affecting our predictions. A lot.
With their flawed data. 13010 out of every 60325 tested are testing positive.
OMG 21% OF PEOPLE ARE TESTING POSITIVE.
NO
When testing a group of 60325 people, nearly all of whom are showing signs and symptoms of being sick with kungflu, 21% are testing positive. The other 47000 people have some other condition.
So, 13000 ill people out of four million. That isn't bad at all. And under 500 deaths... Also not bad. Right?
Wrong. As another posted pointed out. 68 people did not die yesterday. They were merely cataloged and reported. We don't know when they died. We merely pushed their chip into the pile of people that says dead from KungFlu.
So what's the death rate? Let's say testing and cause of death categorization is lagging behind at the same pace. (It isn't.) But let's say it is since that's what everyone is doing anyways... And that's the error in thinking that needs to be highlighted.
13000 people positive. 475ish dead. 3.6% death rate.
OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
Nope.
Because remember, that 13000 figure is itself incorrect. It's biased. If you're sick enough to be selected for testing. If you show multiple symptoms. If you have repeated direct exposure. You still only have a 21% chance of it being the KungFlu.
The problem with all of these numbers? They ignore asymptomatic carriers. They ignore carriers who merely shrug off this chinese bullshite.
So what do we know for sure? What hard data can we work with?
We have 13010 confirmed cases. Confirmed. Testing complete and reported. We know there are more to be processed. That doesn't matter. We know 470 deaths are being attributed to it. Some valid. Some not. Some unreported.
All we know for sure, 13000 confirmed cases.
What does that mean?
.2% of the population is confirmed to be sick. 1 in every 342 people are confirmed carriers
These people for sure have it.
Not a terrible number.
But... What about everyone not sick enough to be tested? What about the fact that they think 80% or more just shrug this off?
Well they are out walking around. And that 13000 infected, well it becomes 78000 infected. That 1 in 342... It becomes 1 in 57.
Without proper data, assumptions are being made. Poor ones.
The reality? The death rate is miniscule. Likely around .6% with current levels of medical care. 27000 people with current levels of care.
But current levels of care cannot be maintained if the system gets overwhelmed. The death rate would increase as lack of medical facilities presents itself.
so what do we know for sure?
More people have it than we think. The death rate is a lot lower than we think. If too many people get it at once, more people die.
Too long? Scroll to the end.
The reality is that with the incomplete information we are being given, you would be forced to assume cases are increasing at one rate, while deaths are increasing at another.
The reality is the the deaths depend on cases. If you can predict cases you can predict deaths.
The issue arises from testing. We are selectively testing those who we believe have the virus. This is affecting our predictions. A lot.
With their flawed data. 13010 out of every 60325 tested are testing positive.
OMG 21% OF PEOPLE ARE TESTING POSITIVE.
NO
When testing a group of 60325 people, nearly all of whom are showing signs and symptoms of being sick with kungflu, 21% are testing positive. The other 47000 people have some other condition.
So, 13000 ill people out of four million. That isn't bad at all. And under 500 deaths... Also not bad. Right?
Wrong. As another posted pointed out. 68 people did not die yesterday. They were merely cataloged and reported. We don't know when they died. We merely pushed their chip into the pile of people that says dead from KungFlu.
So what's the death rate? Let's say testing and cause of death categorization is lagging behind at the same pace. (It isn't.) But let's say it is since that's what everyone is doing anyways... And that's the error in thinking that needs to be highlighted.
13000 people positive. 475ish dead. 3.6% death rate.
OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
Nope.
Because remember, that 13000 figure is itself incorrect. It's biased. If you're sick enough to be selected for testing. If you show multiple symptoms. If you have repeated direct exposure. You still only have a 21% chance of it being the KungFlu.
The problem with all of these numbers? They ignore asymptomatic carriers. They ignore carriers who merely shrug off this chinese bullshite.
So what do we know for sure? What hard data can we work with?
We have 13010 confirmed cases. Confirmed. Testing complete and reported. We know there are more to be processed. That doesn't matter. We know 470 deaths are being attributed to it. Some valid. Some not. Some unreported.
All we know for sure, 13000 confirmed cases.
What does that mean?
.2% of the population is confirmed to be sick. 1 in every 342 people are confirmed carriers
These people for sure have it.
Not a terrible number.
But... What about everyone not sick enough to be tested? What about the fact that they think 80% or more just shrug this off?
Well they are out walking around. And that 13000 infected, well it becomes 78000 infected. That 1 in 342... It becomes 1 in 57.
Without proper data, assumptions are being made. Poor ones.
The reality? The death rate is miniscule. Likely around .6% with current levels of medical care. 27000 people with current levels of care.
But current levels of care cannot be maintained if the system gets overwhelmed. The death rate would increase as lack of medical facilities presents itself.
so what do we know for sure?
More people have it than we think. The death rate is a lot lower than we think. If too many people get it at once, more people die.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:17 pm to X123F45
quote:don't tell me what to do
Too long? Scroll to the end.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:22 pm to Kafka
You're better than this.
The people who need to read it are the ones least likely to do so.
The idiots, the dunces, the low iq booger eaters inhabiting the extremes of both sides.
The people who need to read it are the ones least likely to do so.
The idiots, the dunces, the low iq booger eaters inhabiting the extremes of both sides.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:30 pm to X123F45
quote:
More people have it than we think. The death rate is a lot lower than we think. If too many people get it at once, more people die.
Your summary has been summed up, numerous times on this board the last few weeks. This is not new news.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:32 pm to Saintsisit
quote:
You're summary has been summed up, numerous times on this board the last few weeks. This is not new news.
....Jesus Christ.
Exhibit A.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:42 pm to X123F45
Thanks, Rando. A linkable post as an alternate to 1000+ pages. Handy way to cite and intro conversation to non TDers.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 1:43 pm to X123F45
quote:
Because remember, that 13000 figure is itself incorrect. It's biased. If you're sick enough to be selected for testing. If you show multiple symptoms. If you have repeated direct exposure. You still only have a 21% chance of it being the KungFlu.
The highlighted portion of your screed is a seriously flawed assumption. The results of any single test will not be influenced by any other test nor will it be influenced by the aggregate of all tests.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:06 pm to Curtis Lowe
I'd like to know how many people in La have died of heart disease, cancer, stroke, etc since this started last month compared to previous years.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:08 pm to X123F45
Where are the pic's and price?
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:17 pm to X123F45
Correct but even deaths are grossly underreported, and test are returning a reported 1/3 false negative result. So we really know even less. LINK
Go back to Original models, as long as we have have to breathe most of us are going to get infected. I think millions of us already have,
Good news, most all of us at still alive
Go back to Original models, as long as we have have to breathe most of us are going to get infected. I think millions of us already have,
Good news, most all of us at still alive
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:20 pm to X123F45
quote:
The people who need to read it are the ones least likely to do so.
The idiots, the dunces, the low iq booger eaters inhabiting the extremes of both sides.
Well, you likely didn't do yourself any read-count favors by opening up with the term KungFlu.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 2:59 pm to X123F45
Upvoted simply for the correct use of "than" at the end. I haven't read the rest.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:11 pm to X123F45
quote:
Rando
That is an excellent summary. I agree with everything you wrote.
You’re getting downvoted
Posted on 4/5/20 at 3:11 pm to X123F45
I live in an an area with most of the population being unhealthy. Large amount of nursing homes. We have been spared so far.
But we also haven’t had tests available here. We did get hit hard in January and February with the FLU. Makes me wonder if this is what ran through us earlier.
Another thing is that I know more than a few people with kids who seemed to have the FLU or strep but would test negative. I know kids aren’t a big target for these virus so far but when you add up all of this, it makes me wonder if there is any correlation.
I still believe it just hasn’t hit hard here yet with the small amount of confirmed cases and deaths in my area. But I am hopeful we already weathered the first wave even if it’s unlikely.
But we also haven’t had tests available here. We did get hit hard in January and February with the FLU. Makes me wonder if this is what ran through us earlier.
Another thing is that I know more than a few people with kids who seemed to have the FLU or strep but would test negative. I know kids aren’t a big target for these virus so far but when you add up all of this, it makes me wonder if there is any correlation.
I still believe it just hasn’t hit hard here yet with the small amount of confirmed cases and deaths in my area. But I am hopeful we already weathered the first wave even if it’s unlikely.
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