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re: Kirk Herbstreit slams Travel Ball culture
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:15 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:15 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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That's a ridiculous stretch.
The only rule around here is you finish what you start. Otherwise, I don't care. I detest soccer, and my oldest plays soccer, and I show up and help the coaches with what they tell me to.
BUT, nobody in this house is going to be making decisions at 8 to 14 years old that significantly affect the rest of the family. Mom and Dad make those decisions.
I would have loved nothing more than to do track and field all year. There are clubs for that. They cost money and time. Dad wouldn't allow it. In hindsight he was absolutely right to not support that or any of my other ridiculous pre-teen ideas about what I SHOULD be doing.
The idea that your kid should be able to do whatever they want to do is bad parenting.
ETA: And before you say it, I could have done T&F in college. I wasn't terrible. And all that would have gotten me in the long term is less time to work and pay for college.
My dad taught me very early on that everything has a cost and you can do whatever you want on your own terms. Find a way to pay for it and you can go to Paris if you want. That isn't 100% the right way to do it IMO, but it's more right than just blindly supporting whatever hair brained hopes and dreams I had as a pre teen or teenager or even a young adult.
it isnt a stretch, its the same and you would be over the moon on the outdoor bragging about how your kid just wants to hunt and fish all day and you wouldnt give too shits about everything else you just said.
no need to lie about it
and nobody said kid should be able to do what he wants. nowhere did i say that. wanna talk about a stretch
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And before you say it, I could have done T&F in college. I wasn't terrible. And all that would have gotten me in the long term is less time to work and pay for college.
so then why do we do anything? if its only strictly about the financial roi...why do we do anything?
are you going to tell me that fishing and hunting has a good ROI? again stop lying and just tell the truth
its ok, we all have different passions and all have our own ability to serve others or our own line in the sand where we are not willing to sacrifice for others. thats ok, but stop lying about it.
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:16 pm to lsupride87
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And the vast majority of travel ball parents and families have that balance
The vast majority of travel ball parents are funding Junior with consumer debt, or best case, forfeiting retirement savings
That’s not debatable
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:You are completely clueless
The vast majority of travel ball parents are funding Junior with consumer debt, or best case, forfeiting retirement savings That’s not debatable
The average credit score of the travel ball teams in my area vs the rec parents is 200 points higher
The rec parents, by far, without a doubt here, are more of your lower class and it isn’t reasonably close
I don’t know why we are here in the argument but you brought it up and the above is just a fact
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:19 pm to lsupride87
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You are completely clueless
MOST middle class families have some consumer debt and little to no retirement. That’s a statistical fact
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The average credit score of the travel ball teams in my area vs the rec parents is 200 points higher
The rec parents, by far, without a doubt here, are more of your lower class and it isn’t reasonably close
Cool, I agree with you. It still has nothing to do with what I said
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:20 pm to lsupride87
You can have a high debt load and good credit at the same time
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You’re making no sense. You’ve gotten to the incoherent ramblings section of your melt
more than you
you and many others argument is...its a terrible ROI
well so are most hobbies including golfing, fishing, hunting etc
or
its your kid isnt going pro!!!
well not shite. neither are the dads taking golfing lessons for the local pro but i dont see you screaming at them for playing too much or spending too much.
same with fishing..i dont see you telling people that fish that its terrible ROI or they need to stop pretending they are going pro and that hiring a guide to teach them is a huge waste of money and they need to stop pursing that
we all agree that there should be balance and 99% of travel ball families have that. We all agree you shouldnt spend money you dont have.
so wtf is your point? if you dont like travel ball....dont participate...I dont give a frick either way and that goes for all the posters. but it would be nice if the OT wasnt so concerned with what others do or how they spend their time and money.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:22 pm to Lgrnwd
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You can have a high debt load and good credit at the same time
He’ll unbelieve something he knows is true in order to argue. He’s not a dumb person. It’s some of the most bizarre shite I’ve ever seen
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:22 pm to lsu777
Alright, you win.
I know enough travel ball dads to know that if you aren't willing to beat their arse over it, you'd better not express disagreement with them.
I'm going duct tape a rifle in my kids hands and punch my wife for signing them up for sissy sports and brag on the OB about how they can't put their rifles down! You know I'll spend many thousands on their hunting habits but frick buying a damn soccer ball.
I know enough travel ball dads to know that if you aren't willing to beat their arse over it, you'd better not express disagreement with them.
I'm going duct tape a rifle in my kids hands and punch my wife for signing them up for sissy sports and brag on the OB about how they can't put their rifles down! You know I'll spend many thousands on their hunting habits but frick buying a damn soccer ball.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:25 pm to lsu777
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you and many others argument is...its a terrible ROI
That’s not my argument
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neither are the dads taking golfing lessons for the local pro but i dont see you screaming at them for playing too much or spending too much
They aren’t the ones incoherently melting
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same with fishing..i dont see you telling people that fish that its terrible ROI or they need to stop pretending they are going pro and that hiring a guide to teach them is a huge waste of money and they need to stop pursing that
I do this all the time when retards in this board want to drop 100 g’s on a boat they can’t afford
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we all agree that there should be balance and 99% of travel ball families have that.
This is 100% patently false. Like not debatable
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so wtf is your point? if you dont like travel ball....dont participate...
I’ve told you a million times, you’re just too stupid to understand it. I’ve said in this very thread, I understand why parents feel they have to participate. Your attitude is there’s just nothing we can do about it. I fundamentally disagree with your defeatist, low IQ attitude.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:25 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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I was told by a guy that really knows baseball prospects that it all boils down to if your kid has natural talent. If he does, he will get noticed. The cream always rises to the top.
Years ago , MLB did an open camp for MLB scouts to attend at ULL for high school players. I had no grand illusions of making the MLB but I enjoyed baseball, so me and my buddy went.
Probably 500+ kids. They would basically cut people after rounds (speed, arm strength , etc.. then ended up doing a scrimmage at the end.)
You know the 1 person they kept through all of it - Mewelde Moore. I was good friends with Mewelde but he was probably on his 2nd year of organized baseball at the time.
One of the scouts told us after -he is fast, we can try and teach the rest. Think he ended up getting drafted in 3rd or 4th round out of high school.
I remember thinking, well shite, all the baseball I played growing up, this dude played 2 years of high school ball and got picked. Haha.
Of course he was a freak athlete. I'm sure things have changed over the past 25 years, but they saw how fast he was and said, lets give it a chance and see.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:27 pm to lsu777
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and send them to high academic schools. eventually my middle and younger will prolly end up at public school but its one with a great academic program.
Don’t get me wrong, I can and do want her to excel academically, and her school is still “great” academically, but it’s not the most rigorous and structured school that she got into.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:28 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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MOST middle class families have some consumer debt and little to no retirement. That’s a statistical fact
middle class in Louisiana is only up to 116k. the fact that you think most of the ones traveling and spending money on this are middle class is laughable.
the ones that are middle class are sponsored or they play on teams that only play local or both or the kids have grandparents that want to pay for it.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:29 pm to lsu777
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middle class in Louisiana is only up to 116k. the fact that you think most of the ones traveling and spending money on this are middle class is laughable.
The world is bigger than Lake Charles
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:33 pm to Lgrnwd
Damn this topic is beat to death.
My son plays tournament ball because he wanted better competition, period. Majority of kids that do play tournament/travel also just play local tournaments +- 50 miles, with maybe 1 big travel tournament each year which doubles as a vacation. His dues are about $1600 a year and that includes use of fields for practices, entry to 10 tournaments (around 40 games give or take), team balls/gear, insurance, etc... Pretty small price to pay in my opinion. His gear will be the same whether he plays rec or travel/tournament. Games generally start in March end first week in June. He also plays both football and basketball at the moment. He loves sports and is competitive in nature.
My son plays tournament ball because he wanted better competition, period. Majority of kids that do play tournament/travel also just play local tournaments +- 50 miles, with maybe 1 big travel tournament each year which doubles as a vacation. His dues are about $1600 a year and that includes use of fields for practices, entry to 10 tournaments (around 40 games give or take), team balls/gear, insurance, etc... Pretty small price to pay in my opinion. His gear will be the same whether he plays rec or travel/tournament. Games generally start in March end first week in June. He also plays both football and basketball at the moment. He loves sports and is competitive in nature.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:36 pm to jmorr34
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My son plays tournament ball because he wanted better competition, period. Majority of kids that do play tournament/travel also just play local tournaments +- 50 miles, with maybe 1 big travel tournament each year which doubles as a vacation. His dues are about $1600 a year and that includes use of fields for practices, entry to 10 tournaments (around 40 games give or take), team balls/gear, insurance, etc... Pretty small price to pay in my opinion. His gear will be the same whether he plays rec or travel/tournament. Games generally start in March end first week in June. He also plays both football and basketball at the moment.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:38 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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They aren’t the ones incoherently melting
oh im not melting, simply wasting time while pointing out how stupid some of the arguements are
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That’s not my argument
it is many on here and i agree it is a terrible roi, so are almost every hobby
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I do this all the time when retards in this board want to drop 100 g’s on a boat they can’t afford
well we do agree if you cant afford travel ball dont do it, period. shouldnt be going iinto debt over it, taking loads, using credit cards etc.
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This is 100% patently false. Like not debatable
well im around a lot more than you are and with the ones im around its like 99% but im also not around the HS Travel parents that much so not sure how that goes and Im in kind of a unique bubble and not around a bunch of AA parents.
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I’ve told you a million times, you’re just too stupid to understand it
rotflmao: you have a fricking accountant degree, dont kid yourself. quote:
I’ve said in this very thread, I understand why parents feel they have to participate. Your attitude is there’s just nothing we can do about it. I fundamentally disagree with your defeatist, low IQ attitude.
and ive said....you dont have to participate, but in 99% of the cases their kids baseball dream is dying at 13 or earlier
i specifically said...someone like you...they could get their kid where they need to be. but it would require lots and lots of effort and time and the ability to research and learn. hell hitting done right has his whole series on youtube for free, connor mcmullin has whole progressions on insta...if its your thing teacherman has a whole series on YT, Correa has whole pitching progression on YT
you can do it without playing travel, at least until 13...but its going to take the type of work 99.9999% of parents either wouldnt do or are not capable of doing.
be honest...the average fat guy on the OT, do you think that they are capable of teaching their kid to really be good at baseball?
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:39 pm to lsupride87
Y'all would shite if you knew the costs involved in being an elite level junior golfer.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The world is bigger than Lake Charles
I specifically said Louisiana brother and lets say you are in Houston or Atlanta...you never have to travel. at all ever. same with BR.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:40 pm to TDTOM
quote:I am well aware of exactly what the country club sports cost
Y'all would shite if you knew the costs involved in being an elite level junior golfer.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:41 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Alright, you win.
I know enough travel ball dads to know that if you aren't willing to beat their arse over it, you'd better not express disagreement with them.
I'm going duct tape a rifle in my kids hands and punch my wife for signing them up for sissy sports and brag on the OB about how they can't put their rifles down! You know I'll spend many thousands on their hunting habits but frick buying a damn soccer ball.
i dont win anything and i wasnt being a dick and im wrong all the time.
im just saying the way you come across
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