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re: Kids with phones or tablets.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:40 am to LSUfan4444
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:40 am to LSUfan4444
I'm not advocating for 100% unfettered internet access/screen time for a child, but it does sound like you are advocating for 100% zero internet access and screen time due to "devastating" side effects. 'Devastating'
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:41 am to StringedInstruments
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we had a student who didn’t have a phone at all and she was brought up by the counselor for potential social issues because of it.
she should be removed from her position and blackballed from ever holding a position of authority ever again. But she was probably promoted
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:42 am to Displaced
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but the current state of society necessitates that everyone past a certain age has a phone.
You're a sheep
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:43 am to deeprig9
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t does sound like you are advocating for 100% zero internet access
I suggest cleaning out your ears or asking for clarification when you get confused
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:45 am to LSUfan4444
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I suggest cleaning out your ears or asking for clarification when you get confused
Is that not what I did?
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:51 am to shawnlsu
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she should be removed from her position and blackballed from ever holding a position of authority ever again. But she was probably promoted
I’m confused why the comment is being downvoted. The girl was ostracized by her peers because she had limited ability to communicate with them via text or social media. It was detrimental to her performance in school, so the counselor addressed it.
Judging by the comments in the thread, the majority of parents are getting their kids devices by middle school age.
Why so critical of the counselor?
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:52 am to deeprig9
No. What you did was act upon assumptions and when you got an answer you didnt like, made more assumptions.
You want to know what the devastating effects can be, go read one of the thousands of studies done.
You want to know how much internet and what kind we allow our daughter to have, just ask.
You're trying to argue...what, I don't know but you're trying to ask loaded questions to try to prove you're somehow privileged to more knowledge about the negative or positive affects of the internet. It seems fricking pointless when in the end, I think you're actually agreeing with everything I said but just craving attention and an argument...which happens to be one of the very negative side effects of the internet and social media.
You want to know what the devastating effects can be, go read one of the thousands of studies done.
You want to know how much internet and what kind we allow our daughter to have, just ask.
You're trying to argue...what, I don't know but you're trying to ask loaded questions to try to prove you're somehow privileged to more knowledge about the negative or positive affects of the internet. It seems fricking pointless when in the end, I think you're actually agreeing with everything I said but just craving attention and an argument...which happens to be one of the very negative side effects of the internet and social media.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:54 am to deeprig9
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:56 am to StringedInstruments
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. In fact, two years ago, we had a student who didn’t have a phone at all and she was brought up by the counselor for potential social issues because of it.
That’s because when you refuse to conform to an insane society, the inmates label you as crazy. That’s how they keep you in line as a cog in the machine.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:56 am to StringedInstruments
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The girl was ostracized by her peers because she had limited ability to communicate with them via text or social media
She should have gotten better friends.
A school counselor addressing a child’s lack of social media presence is some dark dystopian insanity
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:57 am to jm_1776
Our kids are 5, 7 & 10. None of them have a phone. They dont technically have tablets either but we do allow them to use tablets for about 1hr/day supervised. Typically they like to play roblox or minecraft.
We dont let them have any time on social media (twitter, tiktok, whatever). They are allowed to watch Youtube Kids at times but even then you have to pay attention because some sadistic crap still ends up on youtube kids.
We limit as we do because social media is such cesspool and kids use it to bully other kids and pickup terrible expectations of what the real world is or should be. Our 10 y/o has friends who are on tiktok and other social media and even our 10y/o daughter has commented how it warps their behavior and makes them very unpleasant people.
We dont let them have any time on social media (twitter, tiktok, whatever). They are allowed to watch Youtube Kids at times but even then you have to pay attention because some sadistic crap still ends up on youtube kids.
We limit as we do because social media is such cesspool and kids use it to bully other kids and pickup terrible expectations of what the real world is or should be. Our 10 y/o has friends who are on tiktok and other social media and even our 10y/o daughter has commented how it warps their behavior and makes them very unpleasant people.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:57 am to genuineLSUtiger
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That’s because when you refuse to conform to an insane society, the inmates label you as crazy. That’s how they keep you in line as a cog in the machine.
Yup.
In a society full of drug addicts, the sober man is labeled dangerous and lost.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 11/17/21 at 9:58 am to StringedInstruments
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Why so critical of the counselor?
Because the counselor took it upon him/herself to address what the parent(s) have already decided, for whatever reason.
The school systems have been allowed to act as parents for far too long. Get back to teaching reading, writing, math and science and leave the parenting to the parents.
Stay in your lane
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:04 am to LSUfan4444
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No. What you did was act upon assumptions and when you got an answer you didnt like, made more assumptions.
You want to know what the devastating effects can be, go read one of the thousands of studies done.
You want to know how much internet and what kind we allow our daughter to have, just ask.
You're trying to argue...what, I don't know but you're trying to ask loaded questions to try to prove you're somehow privileged to more knowledge about the negative or positive affects of the internet. It seems fricking pointless when in the end, I think you're actually agreeing with everything I said but just craving attention and an argument...which happens to be one of the very negative side effects of the internet and social media.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:06 am to jm_1776
Mine got an ipad at 7 or 8, but only because I got it as a gift from work and didn't have a use for it myself since I could already use all the same apps on my phone. Gave it to my daughter and she used it for games and watching videos on Youtube. I monitored her usage to make sure she was only viewing age appropriate content.
Phone was at 12 and almost all of her friends already had one by then. We don't have a land line and she was starting to stay home alone sometimes during the day, getting involved in after school activities, and going places with friends. Its also nice to be able to use the GPS tracker if I need to know where she's at. She has unsupervised internet access and I trust her to follow the basic internet usage rules I gave her. She's never given me reason not to trust her, but knows if she does, that her iphone can easily be taken away and replaced with a basic phone that can only make calls and T9 text.
Phone was at 12 and almost all of her friends already had one by then. We don't have a land line and she was starting to stay home alone sometimes during the day, getting involved in after school activities, and going places with friends. Its also nice to be able to use the GPS tracker if I need to know where she's at. She has unsupervised internet access and I trust her to follow the basic internet usage rules I gave her. She's never given me reason not to trust her, but knows if she does, that her iphone can easily be taken away and replaced with a basic phone that can only make calls and T9 text.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:09 am to jm_1776
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Not hard to find.
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Link #1 addresses children under 5 years old. That's not what we're talking about here. Nobody is advocating for 3 year olds to spend all day on a tablet outside of a long road trip or other extenuating circumstance. Hell, even gen-x'ers were plopped in front of hours of Sesame Street and Mr Rogers and Bob Ross and Pinwheel and The Muppet Show, Smurfs, He Man, etc etc, that's all screen time. Kids today just have something portable instead of sitting in front of "the idiot box".
Link #2 is montessori opinion, my kid goes to montessori so I've read all of their packets about dangers of screen time and other montessori voodoo.
Link #3 which is the most alarming, cites a study that says teens who spend more than 5 hours a day on their phone/screen have higher rates of suicidal thoughts, but you click to the abstract of that study and suicide isn't mentioned at all, only "mental health issues", but correlation isn't causation. If a kid spends that much time online, they probably don't have a lot of friends and real human interaction which would feed such feelings, it's not necessarily the screen time that is programing teens to feel suicidal et al. The screen time could just as easily, and likely be a result of a bad social situation, not the cause of it, necessarily.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:15 am to jm_1776
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Kids with phones or tablets
How about just substitute "phones or tablets" with electronics. Not giving your child a tablet, but allowing unfettered access to a Switch or Xbox isn't really helping much.
My rule for my son has always been equal time reading. So, for every minute on his electronics, with the exception of family movie night, I expect to see a book in his hand.
It has worked well. The boy has learned to budget his time.
I'll follow suit with my 4 yr old daughter.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:25 am to deeprig9
deeprig9
You asked for enlightenment on the dangers. I gave you the first three that popped up on a search engine. You seem to be trying to validate your opinion by discrediting information based on your opinion. The point is that the research is out there and it clearly disagrees with you.
You asked for enlightenment on the dangers. I gave you the first three that popped up on a search engine. You seem to be trying to validate your opinion by discrediting information based on your opinion. The point is that the research is out there and it clearly disagrees with you.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 10:31 am
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:30 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
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How about just substitute "phones or tablets" with electronics.
You're right I should've written more clearly.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:35 am to shawnlsu
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Because the counselor took it upon him/herself to address what the parent(s) have already decided, for whatever reason.
So when the kid is emotionally distraught due to a lack of friends and difficulty to connect with them outside of school, the counselor should just ignore it? Or say, “this is what your parents decided. Get over it”?
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