re: Kia and Hyundai are pulling away in design and technology

Kia Telluride won best Car in the world when they launched. I LOVE my Kia Carnival. I actually wanted a Telluride but they were unobtainium at the time, and I'm so glad I decided to test drive the Carnival. It's a great vehicle. I got the base model and it has all the safety sensors, backup camera etc. No recalls yet. Which is more than I can say for the fleet of Rams and GMCs we bought new at work around the same time. Plus the 100,000 mile/10 year powertrain warranty is double what US manufacturers offer.

So good they don't even come with a spare tire

The telluride, k5, and palisade are all really impressive and would prefer any of them to the dodge, ford, or Chevy equivalents.

I like them. Past 3 have been bought new and either kia or hyundai. Only 8 more payments on my 2020 optima. I actually have equity in it so i will trade up to an suv probably.

Yeah it's too soon to say what the reliability is for my 2022 model that I bought in May 2021 and have only put 11,500 miles on so far including a 2000 mile move.
I work remotely so no commute and take lyft to the airport when I have to travel for work. I might get 80,000 miles before the 10 year warranty runs out. I had a stick shift Honda civic for a few years, and although it was pretty reliable, it was the most awfully boring car I've ever had.

Nice!! I've never seen the nightfall but the standard editions are already stunning! Luxury features for 30k less than the competitor vehicles.

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Kia and Hyundai are pulling away in design and technology
The American auto companies are slacking.

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Tesla would like a word.

Yea but you can get insurance on one in Georgia.

Thefts of these vehicles are worse than the days of the Honda Civics. Criminals are targeting these cars in cities, stealing them and committing crimes with stolen vehicles. It is a huge problem. Insurance companies are stopping from insuring these vehicles because of the problem.