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Katrina question
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:25 pm
I’ve always heard that Louisiana/New Orleans refused the federal governments assistance prior to the storm and that is the reason there was such a slow response. Is that what really happened or a rumor that started to help Bush’s image? Watching a show on Katrina and it got me thinking. Man what a terrible situation it was down there.
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:27 pm to thadcastle
Two words: Kathleen Blanco
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:29 pm to thadcastle
Bush wanted to federalize the LA national guard and Blanco pushed back.
That’s the only issue like that. Otherwise the locals took all the help they could get
That’s the only issue like that. Otherwise the locals took all the help they could get
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:29 pm to Metrybaw
Two more: Ray Nagin
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:29 pm to thadcastle
Much like today there is a large population in New Orleans that depend entirely on the government. They were unable to take care of themselves and that is what led to the chaos. Storms also devastated the western part of the state but somehow that group was able to pull it together and rebuild.
Regardless of whether New Orleans took the feds help or not. They were screwed.
“Blanko” was zero help. The Army sharpshooters are the ones who brought order back to the city.
Regardless of whether New Orleans took the feds help or not. They were screwed.
“Blanko” was zero help. The Army sharpshooters are the ones who brought order back to the city.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:41 pm to thadcastle
quote:Pretty much. Either refused or were confused/stupid and didn’t realize the procedures, requirements for it.
I’ve always heard that Louisiana/New Orleans refused the federal governments assistance prior to the storm and that is the reason there was such a slow response.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:42 pm to thadcastle
Was in Kauai on my honeymoon. Went to Secret beach. Walked over to where the waves were crashing on the rocks. Stood close to the edge and almost got sucked out after they hit. I knew how powerful water could be but damn you don’t realize it until you are in it.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:44 pm to thadcastle
Oct. 11, 2005, 11:53 AM CDT
By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 — It was Gov. Blanco's first big disaster — and less than 48 hours before Katrina hit, she reassured the state.
"I believe we are prepared," she said in Jefferson Parish on Aug. 27. "That's the one thing that I've always been able to brag about."
Though experts had warned it would take 48 hours to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco did not order a mandatory evacuation that Saturday.
"We're going to pray that the impact will soften," she said.
Blanco and the mayor waited until Sunday, Aug. 28 — only 20 hours before Katrina came ashore — to order a mandatory evacuation, the first of what disaster experts and Louisiana insiders say were serious mistakes by the governor.
"It certainly appeared that there was a lot of indecisiveness exhibited by the governor in the early stages of the disaster," says Louisiana State Democratic Senator Donald Cravins.
A key criticism: the governor's slowness in requesting federal troops. She told the president she needed help, but it wasn't until Wednesday, Aug. 31 that she specifically asked for 40,000 troops.
That day, in a whispered conversation with her staff caught on camera, the governor appears to second-guess herself.
"I really need to call for the military," Blanco tells an aide.
LINK
By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 — It was Gov. Blanco's first big disaster — and less than 48 hours before Katrina hit, she reassured the state.
"I believe we are prepared," she said in Jefferson Parish on Aug. 27. "That's the one thing that I've always been able to brag about."
Though experts had warned it would take 48 hours to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco did not order a mandatory evacuation that Saturday.
"We're going to pray that the impact will soften," she said.
Blanco and the mayor waited until Sunday, Aug. 28 — only 20 hours before Katrina came ashore — to order a mandatory evacuation, the first of what disaster experts and Louisiana insiders say were serious mistakes by the governor.
"It certainly appeared that there was a lot of indecisiveness exhibited by the governor in the early stages of the disaster," says Louisiana State Democratic Senator Donald Cravins.
A key criticism: the governor's slowness in requesting federal troops. She told the president she needed help, but it wasn't until Wednesday, Aug. 31 that she specifically asked for 40,000 troops.
That day, in a whispered conversation with her staff caught on camera, the governor appears to second-guess herself.
"I really need to call for the military," Blanco tells an aide.
LINK
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:45 pm to thadcastle
quote:
I’ve always heard that Louisiana/New Orleans refused the federal governments assistance prior to the storm
Why would they need federal assistance before they knew the levees were going to fail?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:45 pm to thadcastle
The FEMA director was at an event or a dinner the night before. His perceived demeanor did not take the threat seriously. FEMA was not organized for storms as it is today. What you see as normal prep today by state and local governments did not take place back then. The only thing they had in place was contraflow which I believe was the first time we implemented it. That came after a disaster voluntary evacuation for a storm in 1998.
Nagin was flipping his shite at Blanco behind the scenes. Then he flipped out on Garland Robinette to tell state leaders to get up off their asses and get down here, and was super pissed that their plan was to send school busses to a city that had impassable roads. Then when Air Force One arrived Nagin, Blanco, and Bush met. Nagin basically said the Governor is not getting us the resources he needs and she sucks. Bush offers a federal takeover but you need approval from the Governor for that ro happen. The Governor said we need 24 hours to decide. Bush was shocked. What a disaster.
When Russell Honore showed up everything calmed down.
The hurricane came out of nowhere as it was supposed to go far east of us. I was at a coffee shop that Saturday studying for a grad school license test to graduate. At around 1 or 2 pm the manager announced they were closing due to the hurricane. Half the place including myself said "what hurricane?"
No one was prepared.
Nagin was flipping his shite at Blanco behind the scenes. Then he flipped out on Garland Robinette to tell state leaders to get up off their asses and get down here, and was super pissed that their plan was to send school busses to a city that had impassable roads. Then when Air Force One arrived Nagin, Blanco, and Bush met. Nagin basically said the Governor is not getting us the resources he needs and she sucks. Bush offers a federal takeover but you need approval from the Governor for that ro happen. The Governor said we need 24 hours to decide. Bush was shocked. What a disaster.
When Russell Honore showed up everything calmed down.
The hurricane came out of nowhere as it was supposed to go far east of us. I was at a coffee shop that Saturday studying for a grad school license test to graduate. At around 1 or 2 pm the manager announced they were closing due to the hurricane. Half the place including myself said "what hurricane?"
No one was prepared.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:45 pm to Havoc
No one was prepared for aftermath of Katrina with flooding
The federal govt still has no clue when it comes to disaster response
Do you really think the federal govt will be ready for another Katrina level event?
The federal govt still has no clue when it comes to disaster response
Do you really think the federal govt will be ready for another Katrina level event?
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:49 pm to thadcastle
quote:
New Orleans refused the federal governments assistance prior to the storm
Just curious. Why would the Federal Gov offer assistance to New Orleans PRIOR to landfall? Does the Federal Gov always offer assistance to places before they know where landfall will be?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 8:54 pm to TigahTeeth
I swear to JHC, we get another one I’m gone with my family. Let the blacks turn the South into Mogadishu or wherever the frick they claim they are from. shite on them. They will always have a path paved for them and not take advantage and blame YT. While the bleeding heart scum continue to pretend they care about the unfortunate. frick em
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:07 pm to Haymaker
quote:
The Army sharpshooters are the ones who brought order back to the city.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:36 pm to Haymaker
quote:
Much like today there is a large population in New Orleans that depend entirely on the government. They were unable to take care of themselves
Unwilling to take care of themselves.
I pulled up to a house in the middle of a block in the East and there were a group of people on the porch. I yelled out "do y'all need anything?" They said they needed water and food. I said no problem, that there was a pallet of water bottles and MRE's we had just dropped off two blocks away. They said great go and get us some of that. I drove off. Lazy entitled leeches.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:49 pm to Mariner
quote:
Katrina question
The FEMA director was at an event or a dinner the night before. His perceived demeanor did not take the threat seriously. FEMA was not organized for storms as it is today. What you see as normal prep today by state and local governments did not take place back then. The only thing they had in place was contraflow which I believe was the first time we implemented it. That came after a disaster voluntary evacuation for a storm in 1998.
Nagin was flipping his shite at Blanco behind the scenes. Then he flipped out on Garland Robinette to tell state leaders to get up off their asses and get down here, and was super pissed that their plan was to send school busses to a city that had impassable roads. Then when Air Force One arrived Nagin, Blanco, and Bush met. Nagin basically said the Governor is not getting us the resources he needs and she sucks. Bush offers a federal takeover but you need approval from the Governor for that ro happen. The Governor said we need 24 hours to decide. Bush was shocked. What a disaster.
When Russell Honore showed up everything calmed down.
The hurricane came out of nowhere as it was supposed to go far east of us. I was at a coffee shop that Saturday studying for a grad school license test to graduate. At around 1 or 2 pm the manager announced they were closing due to the hurricane. Half the place including myself said "what hurricane?"
No one was prepared.
This is a pretty accurate assessment from my memory. Also, if I remember correctly, there was a storm the week before which everyone evacuated for and the evac was a fricking nightmare causing people to hesitate evacuating the very next week.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:58 pm to Mariner
It was Saturday morning fairly early. I know because we had been out boozing the night before, turned on the news and shite a brick and sent everyone home to pack and gtfo.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:01 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Just curious. Why would the Federal Gov offer assistance to New Orleans PRIOR to landfall?
Don’t they stage assets at certain areas in proximity? I mean at that point it’s hitting somewhere, doesn’t change much if it’s Lake Charles versus Gulfport, you can still park up in Jackson or Alexandria and be close enough to move wherever.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:11 pm to Mariner
quote:
When Russell Honore showed up everything calmed down.
This is one of the great myths of Katrina.
Honore's involvement was political cover for all the politicians involved.
When he actually showed up, the Coast Guard and National Guard had already done the work of search and rescue and evacuation of the Dome and Convention Center.
Honore was there to be a media presence. His small group of Title 10 soldiers did very little but media spots.
The 30+ thousand Title 32 Guardsmen that ended up in Louisiana in following weeks were not getting orders from Honore. Chains of command were garbled as frick, but eventually state adjutant generals, Task Force Pelican (primarily LaNG), and Honore's operation did work things out.
There is far more preparation, coordination, and training for disaster events now, but some will just be too big, like Katrina was.
Btw, Blanco was terrible but one of the few things she did right was fight the Bush admin on full blown federalization of Guard forces. That wasnt the problem.
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