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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only

Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:11 am to
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:11 am to
The whole staff of the court room looks like they are a HS team getting prepared for a coach to come in to the locker room and ream them out.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:35 am to
Higgins was 100% moving items from that other truck/suv to his jeep and turned the couple on so that it would look like he actually moved them if key ignitions were looked into.

Either way he's a liar about what he was doing that night and this all sets up Higgins being called by the defense and ripped to shreds.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122172 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:37 am to
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But I’m thinking one of the Albert’s threw hands and the dog attacked on instincts.


That's definitely more likely.
Posted by 10tiger
Member since Jan 2021
282 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 12:26 pm to
Ok so the mounting evidence against Higgins is damning. If he gets called to testify it will be interesting to see how that plays out for him going forward.
Posted by Wiseguy
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 12:49 pm to
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Because the jury had to hear him call Karen Read a retard and he was searching her phone for her nudes. A text thread he was included and participated in. It impeached him both as a State Trooper and a witness.


More than the impeachment, it demonstrates clear bias against the (then) suspect. Instead of investigating and allowing the evidence to point the way forward and tell the story, they created a story and looked for evidence (and noodz) that they could use to support that story. They never even considered anyone else. It was a botched, bias investigation. The judge refused the defense plan to call an expert witness to discuss the investigation itself and compare it to best practices. They had to use Bukenik to introduce how bad an investigation it was.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122172 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 12:51 pm to
What's going on now? I just put it on and they are looking at a picture of..I think Karen's vehicle in a garage.. And it shows some person behind the vehicle walking away.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Higgins was 100% moving items from that other truck/suv to his jeep and turned the couple on so that it would look like he actually moved them if key ignitions were looked into.



^ Please explain this. Haven't been able to tune in today. TIA
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:07 pm to
This case is actually being investigated right now live in court.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:08 pm to


This is the Waterfall video broken down frame by frame. I am not saying I think everything said in the video is 100% accurate, but it shows Higgins and O'Keefe had some words.
Posted by 10tiger
Member since Jan 2021
282 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:09 pm to
Right?! It’s insane to me. I’m not even huge into true crime and this case is absolutely absurd. It’s like the prosecution spent their time defending their witnesses instead of presenting a case and the defense is doing the detective work.

To those who can’t watch. There is a video of Higgins moving a snow broom (?) from his vehicle in the night after presumed time of death
Posted by Wiseguy
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:19 pm to
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What's going on now? I just put it on and they are looking at a picture of..I think Karen's vehicle in a garage.. And it shows some person behind the vehicle walking away.


They are showing Proctor waking clearly to the “broken taillight”. The insinuation is that this was when he broke it to obtain the pieces of taillight to “discover” at 34 Fairview. In the first trial the video was shown inverted so it appeared as though he was walking to the drivers side. They prosecution tried to sneak in that the video was inverted but the defense caught it and brought it into open court.
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
In the Shadows, Behind Hedges
Member since Aug 2020
832 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:26 pm to
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Higgins was 100% moving items from that other truck/suv to his jeep and turned the couple on so that it would look like he actually moved them if key ignitions were looked into.


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^ Please explain this. Haven't been able to tune in today. TIA


In Higgins original testimony, he said he went to the Canton PD to move his work vehicles. Something about making them easier to access using his jeep with the snow plow on the front. Video footage in this trial shows him at Canton PD, walking inside the building, and then spending about 10 minutes in the parking lot NOT moving his work vehicles. He starts each vehicle, but does not move them. He also moves items from his work vehicles into his personal vehicle, the jeep with the snow plow. The camera also catches him talking on the phone, and there's no mention of a phone call in his original testimony around that time (I think between 130 and 2am).
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
6818 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:27 pm to
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The defense would then have to call him as a witness.
And AJ said they absolutely would if necessary.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:28 pm to
This re-direct isn't bad but every one of his replies is dependent on the jury believing that he is being truthful. I highly doubt they do.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:29 pm to
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ILurkThereforeIAm



Thank you kind sir!


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The camera also catches him talking on the phone, and there's no mention of a phone call in his original testimony around that time (I think between 130 and 2am).


Did AJ n Co get his phone records or no?
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
In the Shadows, Behind Hedges
Member since Aug 2020
832 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:32 pm to
He lost whatever was left of his credibility when he refused to admit Proctor was anything less than an honest, ethical, standup cop.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:33 pm to
Exactly. The entirety of the re-direct is "trust me, bro."
Posted by ILurkThereforeIAm
In the Shadows, Behind Hedges
Member since Aug 2020
832 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:41 pm to
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Did AJ n Co get his phone records or no?


I had to look this up earlier. Found an article from the original trial. AJ definitely has some of the records, but the phone was destroyed the day before he was supposed to turn it over.

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“You’ve destroyed that phone, haven’t you?” Jackson asked.

“No, I threw the phone away,” Higgins said.

“Well, that’s destroying the phone, isn’t it?” Jackson countered.

“I had every right to do that,” Higgins maintained.

He said to the best of his recollection, “When I threw it away, if I was going to take [the SIM card] out, I would break it or cut it. But I did not wipe the phone. I did not take anything else off it. But if I was going to throw the phone away, that’s what I would’ve done.”


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Higgins confirmed that he received a notice on Sept. 30, 2022, preventing him from altering or destroying anything on his cellphone. Jackson noted that Higgins previously testified at another hearing that he changed phone carriers and phone numbers on the 29th, one day prior to receiving the protective order.

As for his SIM card, Higgins again testified that it’s possible the card was either cut or broken if he removed it from his phone. “And that would have been after the date the [protective] order was already denied,” he added.




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Jackson also grilled Higgins on his phone conversations with Brian Albert and then-Canton Police Chief Kenneth Berkowitz. Pointing to Higgins’s call history from Jan. 29, 2022, he asked: “Those phone records established that you and Brian Albert actually exchanged not one but two phone calls at 2:22 a.m. that morning, at a time when you claimed you were in bed asleep, correct?”

“I have no recollection of any phone calls,” Higgins replied.

Jackson pointed to phone records indicating Higgins missed a call from Albert and called his friend back a short time later. Both Higgins and Albert have testified that the calls were inadvertent, or “butt dials.”

“So the fact is, you were speaking to Brian Albert in the middle of the night, approximately three hours before Mr. O’Keefe’s body was found in his yard, correct?” Jackson asked.

“No, that’s not correct,” Higgins replied.

“And that was five minutes before 2:27 a.m., when there was a Google search for ‘how long to die in the cold,’ correct?” Jackson continued. Cannone sustained an objection from prosecutors, blocking Higgins from answering.

Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96980 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:48 pm to
Hopefully BH gets called up again.

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“And that was five minutes before 2:27 a.m., when there was a Google search for ‘how long to die in the cold,’ correct?” Jackson continued. Cannone sustained an objection from prosecutors, blocking Higgins from answering.


hmmmm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:54 pm to
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Hopefully BH gets called up again

I think he will be. That's why the defense went through the video of him at the Canton PD with Bukhenik.
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