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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:18 pm to LSBoosie
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:18 pm to LSBoosie
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Proof?
She was blowing up his phone the entire day leading up to the event. Have you actually researched this or are you just regurgitating stuff you read online?
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Do you think all of the other people were sober?
Hello, red herring. What's your point? Of course they were all drunk. There's only one person that was accused of drunkenly hitting him with their car though.
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This story has been changed multiple times.
We agree, she did change her story multiple times.
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Ok?
...she knew where he was because she hit him. He was covered in snow, neither of the other two passengers, one of which was a friend of JOK, could see him because he was completely covered.
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Oh so a guy's hair was found on his girlfriend's car? That's crazy.
Is this satire? His hair was found in the exact spot that she was accused of hitting him, coincidentally where she also had damage to the vehicle.
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Literally nothing you said in this post proves beyond reasonable doubt that Karen Read murdered him. The fact that people like you can be on a jury in scary.
The prosecution did a terrible job, that much is undisputed. The defense did an admirable job in creating reasonable doubt out of literal thin air, unfortunately ruining the lives of several people in the process.
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:21 pm to WadeGarrett
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His hair was found in the exact spot that she was accused of hitting him, coincidentally where she also had damage to the vehicle.
Are you sure about that?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:22 pm to WadeGarrett
What I don't think you and many others don't understand is that the defense isn't trying to prove who killed him and how it happened. That's not their job. They are presenting information to show that there is reasonable doubt to believe that Karen Read didn't do it.
Who gives a frick?
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Which again, if the dog was responsible and they were trying to cover it up, why send it away instead of euthanizing it?
Who gives a frick?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:24 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The point isn't that my clearly illogical scenario actually happened. The point is the we don't know what happened (and anything could have happened) because they botched the investigation. You can't send a woman to prison without proof she actually committed a crime. Even if you feel like you "probably did it." The prosecution provided zero proof. And they got caught in many lies and manipulating the evidence along the way.
There is zero doubt that the prosecution did a terrible job.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:24 pm to WadeGarrett
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The defense did an admirable job in creating reasonable doubt
I sure hope you aren’t a lawyer
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:28 pm to LSBoosie
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What I don't think you and many others don't understand is that the defense isn't trying to prove who killed him and how it happened. That's not their job. They are presenting information to show that there is reasonable doubt to believe that Karen Read didn't do it.
What I don't think you and many others understand is that we're not in a court room, we're not held to "reasonable doubt" standards on the interwebs. The prosecution did a terrible job and the defense did an amazing job, and she likely did it and will probably get away with it because of those two reasons, in addition to the sketchy police-work, non-sterile crime scene, and media frenzy.
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Who gives a frick?
If anybody actually really believed the wounds were from the dog, they could go analyze it. It's in Vermont, not Thailand. If the dog was dead you obviously can't analyze it.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:30 pm to WadeGarrett
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There is zero doubt that the prosecution did a terrible job.
shite in shite out
The entire case is garbage.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:32 pm to WadeGarrett
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If anybody actually really believed the wounds were from the dog, they could go analyze it. It's in Vermont, not Thailand. If the dog was dead you obviously can't analyze it.
You can’t do that.
The defense witness, Dr. Russell, testified that you can not match a specific bite mark to a specific dog.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:34 pm to WadeGarrett
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What I don't think you and many others understand is that we're not in a court room, we're not held to "reasonable doubt" standards on the interwebs.
Oh. Well you could have just started with "I started a burner account to ruffle feathers by ignoring the burden of proof in a criminal case thread." Would have saved us a lot of time.
No one in this thread cares whether it seems like she probably did it. This thread is about whether the integrity of our justice system was upheld. Doesn't matter what you think happened. They didn't prove it. I also hold doubts that she did it based on how shady the whole investigation was carried out and the fact that his injuries don't match up with being hit by a car at all.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:46 pm to WadeGarrett
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What I don't think you and many others understand is that we're not in a court room, we're not held to "reasonable doubt" standards on the interwebs.
This entire thread is about a trial that is happening in a courtroom.
Serious question, you used the texts from Read to O’Keefe as a reason to why she would want to murder him. Why aren’t you using Michael Proctor’s texts to his friends as reason to why he would try to cover this up?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:52 pm to LSBoosie
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Serious question, you used the texts from Read to O’Keefe as a reason to why she would want to murder him. Why aren’t you using Michael Proctor’s texts to his friends as reason to why he would try to cover this up?
I didn't say murder.
What about his texts? The one where the friend asks if the homeowner would be in hot water and he replies something like "no, he's LEO"? Refresh my memory.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 2:56 pm to Civildawg
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Civildawg
You are attempting to impeach the defense witnesses?
The keystone cops brought by lally have been relieved of duty and are under investigation.
I'll go further adn say Proctor is a total piece of shite and needs to be wearing an orange jumpsuit soon.
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FRAMINGHAM, Mass. — Disgraced Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in the Karen Read murder case, was suspended Monday without pay amid an ongoing internal affairs investigation into his “unprofessional” behavior.
Interim Massachusetts State Police Col. John Mawn accepted a three-person board’s recommendation following a duty status hearing in Framingham, making Proctor’s suspension effective immediately.
Proctor was tasked with investigating the death of John O’Keefe, Read’s Boston police officer boyfriend, but he came under fire during witness testimony during trial for a series of disparaging texts about Read that he sent to friends, family, and supervisors, which he read aloud in court during her trial.
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Read’s two-month-long trial ended in a mistrial last week, but the Norfolk District Attorney’s Office intends to set a date for a new trial later this month.
Boston 25 legal expert Peter Elikann said Proctor could be fired or charged criminally by the time a retrial of Read comes around.
“There’s no dancing around the fact that by the time this retrial happens, he could very well be completely fired or facing certain kinds of charges against him for his behavior in the investigation – so it’s certainly agreed by all that he’s going to look bad if he has to testify again,” Elikann explained.
Mawn relieved Proctor of his duty after Judge Beverly Cannone declared a mistrial due to a deadlocked jury. Proctor was then transferred out of the Norfolk District Attorney’s State Police Detective Unit. He was administratively assigned to Troop H in field services, but he remains ineligible to work.
That entire county is corrupt as frick. Keep boot licking tho.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:00 pm to Civildawg
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Civildawg
Why are you sweeping so hard for dirty cops and prosecutors, janny?
Are you on the payroll too?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:03 pm to WadeGarrett
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Occam's Razor, Karen Read was shithoused and pissed off/jealous and backed into him when he got out of the car, because she didn't want to go.
Show the class how JO died by KR's car?
Don't worry, we will wait.
Your burden is BEYOND a reasonable doubt, counselor.
Good luck.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:05 pm to WadeGarrett
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I didn't say murder.
She is being charged with murder. Are you saying she did it on accident? If so, why are her texts to him relevant?
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What about his texts? The one where the friend asks if the homeowner would be in hot water and he replies something like "no, he's LEO"? Refresh my memory.
The ones in which he calls her a whack job count.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:07 pm to WadeGarrett
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WadeGarrett
Another janny sweeping for dirty cops and prosecutors?
Show the class how KR killed JO, janny?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:22 pm to jclem11
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Show the class how JO died by KR's car?
Don't worry, we will wait.
Your burden in BEYOND a reasonable doubt, counselor.
Good luck.
For starters, she told paramedics/"first responders" that "I hit him".
Fragments of her taillight were found on his clothes.
DNA was found on her bumper.
The kicker, though, is that every single fact can be disputed because the cops were such unbelievable shitheads.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:31 pm to WadeGarrett
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For starters, she told paramedics/"first responders" that "I hit him".
Hearsay that has changed
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Fragments of her taillight were found on his clothes.
Polycarbonate doesn’t shatter into small pieces.
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DNA was found on her bumper.
JO’s DNA being on his girlfriends bumper is expected.
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The kicker, though, is that every single fact can be disputed because the cops were such unbelievable shitheads.
Clearly ONLY because they are shitheads.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:34 pm to WadeGarrett
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The kicker, though, is that every single fact can be disputed because the cops were such unbelievable shitheads.
Is it a fact if it can be disputed?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 3:47 pm to WadeGarrett
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For starters, she told paramedics/"first responders" that "I hit him".
Objection, hearsay.
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Fragments of her taillight were found on his clothes.
We know this for sure? The investigation was very sus and did not propertly secure the scene.
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DNA was found on her bumper.
How is this a smoking gun? They were dating so presumably he had been around her car, no? lmao.
I still have a lot of doubt. Anything else, janny?
I am still voting NG.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 3:51 pm
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