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re: June 12, 2025: Air India 787 Dreamliner crashes in the city of Ahmedabad
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:36 pm to HeadCall
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:36 pm to HeadCall
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went brain dead about pulling the gear
In an emergency situation, they typically don’t change the planes configuration until they understand fully what is happening. For example, if there was some sort of wing damage, raising the flaps or raising the gear could cause even more damage or add to the issue at hand. Or if there was a hydraulic failure, raising the gear could use the last of the hydraulic pressure and now they have no flap or aileron control.
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:39 pm to guzziguy
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No wonder nobody from tech support has gotten back to me...
Oh man, what’s worse than your comment is me upvoting it.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:48 pm to BHM
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In an emergency situation, they typically don’t change the planes configuration until they understand fully what is happening. For example, if there was some sort of wing damage, raising the flaps or raising the gear could cause even more damage or add to the issue at hand. Or if there was a hydraulic failure, raising the gear could use the last of the hydraulic pressure and now they have no flap or aileron control.
The only emergency situation I can think of on takeoff that would keep me from immediately bringing the gear up would be a severe wind shear event.
I seriously doubt they could’ve diagnosed a hydraulic failure that quickly. Frankly I don’t even know why they bothered with a Mayday call. It served no purpose in this scenario and didn’t do them any good. They either lost power or never had enough power in the first place is my guess.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:55 pm to HeadCall
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:01 pm to dallastiger55
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That story is fishy about the one guy that survived. Some people are saying he lived in the apartment building that it hit and he claimed to be on the plane.
Looks like he’s trying to get a payday. I feel like it would be pretty easy to check that out, but they all probably have the same name.
Perhaps it is not money but an abundance of Bobs and Vagne
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:05 pm to Athis
No way that guy walked away from that crash that unscathed. I call bullshite.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:10 pm to m57
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No way that guy walked away from that crash that unscathed. I call bullshite.
He clearly was the only one that paid attention to the pre flight safety briefing and properly fastened his seat belt.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:13 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Tata Sons, which owns Air India, will offer around £86,000 - or 10 million rupees - to the families of those who were killed
$117K
I guess they don't get Gordon much in India.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:14 pm to m57
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No way that guy walked away from that crash that unscathed. I call bullshite.
Yeah. Some random X post with a dude limping and dirty is just a tad suspect.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:14 pm to Btrtigerfan
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He clearly was the only one that paid attention to the pre flight safety briefing and properly fastened his seat belt.
but he ignored the preflight preflight briefing... if you're not flammable from vodka sodas prior to boarding, what are you even doing?!
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:15 pm to Btrtigerfan
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He clearly was the only one that paid attention to the pre flight safety briefing and properly fastened his seat belt.
Do they have seatbelt technology in India yet?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:15 pm to m57
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No way that guy walked away from that crash that unscathed. I call bullshite.
I saw an article that had his boarding pass and said they confirmed identity. Wild story.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:18 pm to m57
Never seen “Unbreakable”. Samuel jackson has found his man
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:32 pm to RollTide1987
Total speculation:
From the ground level video the flaps do not appear to be extended correctly for takeoff. Can't remember exactly how the T/O Warning is mechanized on the 787, but on many transport category jets the alert sounds if you advance the throttles without the flaps in a "normal takeoff position".
On my current aircraft we commonly use 1, 5 or 15 for takeoff. All normal positions. At Orange County (SNA) the runway is very short and we typically need Flaps 15 for takeoff. If you forget to put the flaps out, you will get a warning horn blaring at you when you start the takeoff roll. However, if you only extend the flaps to Flap 1 ( which is very difficult for a layman to even tell externally from looking at them) when your programmed takeoff performance data calls for Flaps 15, the jet will very happily roll quietly (a long distance) down the runway.
At first glance (again, total speculation) it sure looks like they didn't have the flaps set correctly for their configuration. Possibly they realized their mistake too late to successfully reject the takeoff, rotated at the last possible moment (hence the dust you see being kicked up at the departure end) and were so preoccupied with firewalling the motors and trying not to stall while the stick shaker, aural stall warning and ground proximity warning system all went off that they never got the landing gear up and ran out of airspeed/altitude/ideas all at once.
Don't think this one will be terribly hard to decipher once they recover the FDR/CVR.
From the ground level video the flaps do not appear to be extended correctly for takeoff. Can't remember exactly how the T/O Warning is mechanized on the 787, but on many transport category jets the alert sounds if you advance the throttles without the flaps in a "normal takeoff position".
On my current aircraft we commonly use 1, 5 or 15 for takeoff. All normal positions. At Orange County (SNA) the runway is very short and we typically need Flaps 15 for takeoff. If you forget to put the flaps out, you will get a warning horn blaring at you when you start the takeoff roll. However, if you only extend the flaps to Flap 1 ( which is very difficult for a layman to even tell externally from looking at them) when your programmed takeoff performance data calls for Flaps 15, the jet will very happily roll quietly (a long distance) down the runway.
At first glance (again, total speculation) it sure looks like they didn't have the flaps set correctly for their configuration. Possibly they realized their mistake too late to successfully reject the takeoff, rotated at the last possible moment (hence the dust you see being kicked up at the departure end) and were so preoccupied with firewalling the motors and trying not to stall while the stick shaker, aural stall warning and ground proximity warning system all went off that they never got the landing gear up and ran out of airspeed/altitude/ideas all at once.
Don't think this one will be terribly hard to decipher once they recover the FDR/CVR.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:36 pm to flyingtexastiger
It's always the jackscrew's fault.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:44 pm to flyingtexastiger
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flyingtexastiger
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. On one flight a few years ago I actually rang the call button because I was sitting over the wing and the flaps weren't extended while we were just about 3rd or 4th for departure. The flight attendant asked me something like "nervous flyer?" and I was thinking "no a-hole, I just know those things need to be out for us to take off, and they're not out"
It was the latest I'd seen them extended on a flight I was on.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:49 pm to flyingtexastiger
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If you forget to put the flaps out, you will get a warning horn blaring at you when you start the takeoff roll
on the 78 the throttles will not advance when the TOGA switches are pushed if the flaps aren't set, so you'd have to override them and manually push them up, then ignore the config warning horn(that's fairly loud,) that would blare as soon as the engines spool up
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:52 pm to lsu xman
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Tata Sons, which owns Air India, will offer around £86,000 - or 10 million rupees - to the families of those who were killed
$117K
$117K goes a lot further in India. The average annual salary there is around $2500.
Also I didn’t realize the plane crashed into a medical school and some students were killed too
Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:52 pm to Chucktown_Badger
We typically set the flaps for takeoff immediately after pushback and engine start. If the airplane is going to be anti-iced with Type-IV fluid (the green stuff) they tell us not to extend the flaps until just prior to takeoff to try to keep the fluid from running off the wing and allowing ice to form. We get an automated notice on the printer if we taxi out without the flaps extended ( it's not smart enough to know whether you're planning on de-icing or not).
Or the dudes could have just forgotten!! Nice catch!
Or the dudes could have just forgotten!!
Nice catch!Posted on 6/12/25 at 1:59 pm to flyingtexastiger
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Or the dudes could have just forgotten!! Nice catch!
I remember thinking "I'm 99% sure it'll be fine" but then I also thought how much regret I'd have for not saying anything as we barreled past the end of the runway and began to tumble in a ball of flames.
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