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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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just think about the major impact of having a felony on your record. then think about how basically one drug (Weed) doesn't get a felony for possession (and with weed, in LA, one more and it's a felony). you're basically shaving off a great deal of economic potential over a lifetime with that simple variable.
I can't disagree with that, I've seen it firsthand.
That said, I have also seen people make mistakes and recover and go on and lead productive lives.
I think you are saying "he didn't have many options", but I have to believe selling heroin was the worst one he could've chose.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 6:32 pm
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:32 pm to N2cars
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Yeah, I agree.
I think if I'm on probation, I chill out on selling horse for awhile.
If I were on probation from stealing, I could stop stealing, if it was from writing bad checks or robbery I could lay low and not steal or rob..
But if I were arrested because I was addicted to a drug, then released without treatment, still with addiction, and I had access to the drug, why would I stop? Opiate withdrawals aren't like Liquor shakes and tobacco migraines, those people look like death when withdrawing.
Damn glad my biggest fear in life is needles, I never have to worry abotu trying that shite.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:34 pm to jbgleason
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Well it was PWITD Heroin and, if you read the article, this is in reaction to the escalating OD rate in Baton Rouge. Basically they are saying that heroin isn't pot and you are going to prison for dealing something that is killing people regularly.
And yet the Doctors who over prescribe opiates and get people hooked laugh all the way to the bank.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:34 pm to N2cars
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I think you are saying "he didn't have many options",
well i'm not trying to harp on THIS ONE EXAMPLE but i doubt he had that many
now a lot of that was his own making outside of any criminal behavior, but once you get into the CJ system, it's all but over
it is like a performance enhancing drug. all that putting these guys in jail does is teach them how to jail, gives them more connections (for when they get out), removes any economic opportunity outside of the game, and reinforces that the game is their only way out
you're basically creating a human who will spend about half their life on public assistance via jail, and the rest on public assistance elsewhere (while doing all the socially pathological things like creating babies who will grow up on public assistance and likely end up in the same cycle)
i speak a lot about the underclass and how their choices usually put them there (and crime is no different). i'm not some "pie in the sky" guy who doesn't acknowledge reality. but i also know when the system is completely rigged to consume a good number of these people
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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religion is great if you remove all the stuff you have to do from it
Not to digress, but this
quote:is not at all what being a Christian means. Just the opposite, actually.
all the stuff you have to do
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:36 pm to boddagetta
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Legalize and regulate heroin? You're shitting me right?
Heroin being illegal has worked so well that usage is spiking all over the country. Would you rather have it regulated or do you want to make this country even more of a police state than it already is?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i speak a lot about the underclass and how their choices usually put them there (and crime is no different). i'm not some "pie in the sky" guy who doesn't acknowledge reality. but i also know when the system is completely rigged to consume a good number of these people
I don't disagree, at all.
I kind of made a subtle comment about that re: "adequate representation".
Not just black vs white, but rich vs poor...
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:39 pm to boddagetta
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You guys are fricking retarded
What's retarded is keeping doing the same things that have failed time and time again. The drug war is an abject failure of the worst sort. We're the incarceration nation and yet drug use has not declined.
'merica. frick yeah......
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:39 pm to N2cars
it's not even about that
prosecutors are just as swamped as PDO. the state often doesn't have resources to fight REAL criminals and treat a lot of them similarly. take this guy. he's out on probation for agg assault. why? loaded docket
that shite is a violent crime. in a world without an overloaded system (mostly due to the perverse incentives created by the WOD), this guy would have received a REAL sentence for a violent crime with an actual victim. the amount of property crimes (burglaries esp) that people skate on is ridiculous
prosecutors are just as swamped as PDO. the state often doesn't have resources to fight REAL criminals and treat a lot of them similarly. take this guy. he's out on probation for agg assault. why? loaded docket
that shite is a violent crime. in a world without an overloaded system (mostly due to the perverse incentives created by the WOD), this guy would have received a REAL sentence for a violent crime with an actual victim. the amount of property crimes (burglaries esp) that people skate on is ridiculous
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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prosecutors are just as swamped
Truth, prosecutors and Public defenders are so underpaid and overworked in this country. It's crazy how much is put on them and expected of them with minimal resources.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:44 pm to Napoleon
if i had frick you money i'd work as an advocate for divorce reform and criminal justice reform
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:51 pm to Deactived
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You think people are just going to go all shooting up heroin if it were made legal tomorrow?
Lol no.
I can't name one person I know that I can honestly say would start doing heroin if it were legal now.
Yeah I worded that wrong.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 6:57 pm to Maverick01
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Williams was on probation for aggravated assault with a firearm at the time.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:04 pm to Napoleon
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Public defenders are so underpaid and overworked in this country. It's crazy how much is put on them and expected of them with minimal resources.
So is it kinda weird we've just accepted that justice is now a commodity that has to be bought in this country? If you're accused of a crime (even if you didn't commit it) you're required to pay money to keep your freedom. Shouldn't we all be more upset about that?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:07 pm to boddagetta
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You're shitting me right?
No. Let's talk this out like you're 12.
This sentence is an example of harsh drug laws, right? America has the highest rate of incarceration in the developed world, right?
America has the highest rate of drug use (including opiods) in the developed world. LINK . This is all while having, again, the harshest drug laws and the highest rate of incarceration in the developed world stemming from those laws.
So if you're following me here, harsh drugs laws and high rates of jail time have not curbed drug use whatsoever. I know, shocking.
Now, let's go to your favorite means of understanding economics - supply and demand.
Is there a demand for drugs? Yes. Is there a supply? Yes. Ok, we're in agreement so far, good. Now, what are drug dealers? They are the supply side. What happens when there's less supply without a decreased demand?
Riggghtttt. The price goes up! And what do people want more than drugs? Money! Yes you're doing well here.
Now, a smart person would understand all of this, and also look at the evidence of treatment based drugs laws instead of penalty based drug laws, and come to a conclusion that harsh laws are not working.
A stupid person, well, that's you.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:07 pm to LucasP
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So is it kinda weird we've just accepted that justice is now a commodity that has to be bought in this country? If you're accused of a crime (even if you didn't commit it) you're required to pay money to keep your freedom. Shouldn't we all be more upset about that?
Yes, we should. How about this guy. 35 years old and sentenced to LIFE for dealing weed.
LINK
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:11 pm to glassman
Jurors deliberated for less than two hours and convicted Hood of a reduced charge, which usually carries no more than 15 years' imprisonment. Assistant District Attorney Nick Noriea Jr. then used Hood's past convictions on Thursday to argue that he was a career criminal worthy of a severe punishment.
The jury didn't even want to lock him up, but damn, that guy is stupid.
The jury didn't even want to lock him up, but damn, that guy is stupid.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:11 pm to novabill
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No why?
Imagine what Drano would do if you ingested that. It is legal. In fact many things that would kill you if ingested is legal. Do you really the government to make those things illegal to keep you from partaking?
You need to get off the drugs. What's the primary/intended use of heroin and drano?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:12 pm to boddagetta
No. How are you free if you can not even control what you put in your own body?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:13 pm to N2cars
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Jurors deliberated for less than two hours and convicted Hood of a reduced charge, which usually carries no more than 15 years' imprisonment. Assistant District Attorney Nick Noriea Jr. then used Hood's past convictions on Thursday to argue that he was a career criminal worthy of a severe punishment.
Feeding the dragon.
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