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re: Journalists guide to the Firearms

Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:40 am to
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:40 am to
Posted by CadesCove
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:41 am to
quote:

ignorance on the topic by the media


I am pretty sure it isn't ignorance, as much as it is them willfully misinforming the public in order to promote an agenda.
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:45 am to
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I am pretty sure it isn't ignorance, as much as it is them willfully misinforming the public in order to promote an agenda.


10000000000000000% this
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:46 am to
FPSRussia?

That guy is awesome
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:54 am to
quote:

I am pretty sure it isn't ignorance, as much as it is them willfully misinforming the public in order to promote an agenda.



Well, if media includes social media, than I will not concede to no ignorance.

Whether its willful ignorance, or purposefully misleading doesn't matter. The point is there is a public misconception that gets brought up about these weapons after every shooting event, and it certainly detracts from any conversation that actually needs to be had.

You and Ace really proved my point. You both picked out things you didn't like about my post to basically call out ignorance. Its not like you disagree with my point, its that you feel the need to expand upon the topic. Its a distraction to any gun conversation that could actually be beneficial.

Now do I think that distraction has been put there purposefully? Well, by some media members/politicians - absolutely. But to me that is another discussion.
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:00 pm to
to me its the same discussion. The facts need to be readily available and heavily discussed in a public fashion that everyone not only has access to, but would regularly access anyway. Anything less is the same as promoting the propaganda that is being pushed by the liberal media since almost ALL of your media outlets fall under this description.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:02 pm to
Thank you, thank you , thank you...I just laughed harder than I have in a long time
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:05 pm to


This "Gun" got a kid suspended. Now we know there the principals get their talking points...
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:06 pm to
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This "Gun" got a kid suspended


Cause it has full auto firing capabilities!

Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:10 pm to
dammit im hungry as frick and you gonna post this shite? Now I want a pop tart
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:11 pm to
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to me its the same discussion. The facts need to be readily available and heavily discussed in a public fashion that everyone not only has access to, but would regularly access anyway. Anything less is the same as promoting the propaganda that is being pushed by the liberal media since almost ALL of your media outlets fall under this description.


Yea I suppose you're right in that regard. I take "this" discussion more literally as "What is the difference...seems we are splitting hairs". In other words "why does the difference matter anyway?", rather than who is actually perpetuating or otherwise causing the confusion.SO to your point, I think this discussion needs to be put front and center, before we start pointing fingers on why we need to backtrack to said discussion.

I'm not denying that these facts need not be obstructed. In fact I am saying the opposite. If more people understood this simple distinction, we might actually be able to talk guns logically in this country. But, just like any other major political issue, the misinformed like to use the most severe, however improbable, instances of the law to try and prove their points.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:11 pm to
My son is 4 and loves to play "shooters". I guess I need to tell him he can't play that anymore so he doesn't get suspended from school.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Its a distraction to any gun conversation that could actually be beneficial.



It's kind of important to actually know what you're talking about to have an informed discussion on any topic.
Posted by ThaKaptin
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:35 pm to
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It's kind of important to actually know what you're talking about to have an informed discussion on any topic.


unless you are a member of the media and then you can say what you want regardless of truth because there's a "right" for that.

ETA: I get what you are saying, im just fed up with the media. They are about as informed on guns as I am on frickin Hello Kitty
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:52 pm to
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But to answer your question, a civilian model AR15 can be made to fire full-auto by adding a couple of pieces, mainly an auto sear.


This is partially correct, you also have to mill out a shelf inside the gun and drill a hole for the auto sear. It can be done, but it requires some tools to make it happen.
Posted by L5UT1ger
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:53 pm to
Wow. I learned a lot in this thread. Ive hunted all my life and knew that the guns they were talking about as fully automatic were not actually fully automatic. However, I did not know that those rifles in the pictures couldnt shoot any faster than a deer rifle.

I get the three settings of single shot, 3 round burst, and fully auto. If it has that ability, if im understanding this correctly, that makes it an assault rifle?

A couple of questions:

1. Do these mean looking rifles that are only single shot hold a lot more bullets than my plain old browning rifles?

2. If so, what are they primarily used for? I dont see a scope, so i dont see them as useful as a deer rifle to hunt deer, etc. If they are for home protection, wouldnt a shotgun be a better choice given the greater likelihood of close proximity?

Im not asking the questions because i "have an agenda." Nor am i some liberal that wants to take away these types of guns. If they are truly no different than deer rifles in shooting capability, i see no reason to ban them.

Im just curious as to what purpose they serve other than being fun. Nothing wrong with them only being for fun, but im trying to see why else to have one. I actually have one sitting at my parents house in a locked cabinet. I will have to figure out what to do with it once they dont want the guns anymore.

Thanks!
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:58 pm to
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AR STANDS FOR ASSAULT RIFLE!



I work directly with the news media and can confirm that this is what they think it stands for.
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 3:05 pm to
I encourage you to look through this slideshow The Truth About Assault Weapons to understand the difference between auto and semi auto guns. After you flip through this I will be happy to answer any questions that I can.
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