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re: John Oliver discusses DC Statehood -- Agree or Disagree?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:36 am to ballscaster
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:36 am to ballscaster
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Why not just retrocede the non-federal property back to Maryland?
Probably the best option. I just read something interesting though. If the land is retroceded back to back to Maryland without a repeal of the 23rd Amendment, then the much tinier DC would still possibly be entitled to electoral votes. It'd be interesting to see how that'd work out.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 11:40 am to GetCocky11
If we really wanted true representation, why not split California into 7 states once it goes bankrupt (there is a proposal for this)?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:14 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:Who's a foreigner?
I have no interest in the opinion of a foreigner on our country's operations.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:29 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
It's actually very hard to move these days, and the people that say to just move are very ignorant. The average cost to move these days is around $2000 dollars. Most people don't have this lying around. When I move last year it was around $1500 with deposits and the moving van, and all I had was my stuff.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:38 pm to Bonck1987
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It's actually very hard to move these days, and the people that say to just move are very ignorant. The average cost to move these days is around $2000 dollars. Most people don't have this lying around. When I move last year it was around $1500 with deposits and the moving van, and all I had was my stuff.
Well odds are that they weren't born in the house the presently live in so they had a choice to move there. And they CHOSE to move and live in a place without representation. Again, that was their choice.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:39 pm to Cosmo
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Of course a liberal would want it, it gives them 2 guaranteed Senate seats and an extra House seat.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:42 pm to Cosmo
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founders wanted DC to be simply a seat of government, small city. They didnt want it to become a booming central govt bureaucracy metro area of 3 million.
Well, things changed. I'd say just let it merge with Maryland. It does just seem stupid to me that our capital isn't in a state.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:42 pm to GetCocky11
You're not supposed to live there. It's a federal district. If they want representation, then they need to move to a state. Only an idiot would pitch a tent on the courthouse lawn and then bitch that the county doesn't recognize that as a valid residential address. Washington City is the same way.
Plus, if they were a state, Congress would lose the power to overrule DC city government decisions. You may think Congress is inept, but they're wonder working magicians compared to the DC crew.
Here's a hall of fame of DC luminaries:
Anthony A. Williams, Mayor 1999-2007 -- Led a campaign encouraging DC residents to purchase a home in the district. Did not purchase one himself. Also bankrolled a fancy stadium for the Nationals. Whether or not you think that's a good deal is a matter of opinion, I guess, but I think they can afford to build their own stadiums without getting the taxpayers to do it for them.
Adrien Fenty, Mayor 2007-11 - DC lawyer who was sanctioned by the Bar association for allowing people to steal money from an elderly client whom he'd been appoint guardian of. In 2011, he lost the Dem primary for his own reelection, but ran as a write-in on the GOP ticket, too. Nothing like covering the bases, right?
Vincent C. Gray, Mayor 2011-15 - While mayor, he was arrested for blocking traffic in front of the Hart Senate Office Building. In the middle of city-wide budget crisis, he hired one of the largest mayoral staffs in city history, including one Sulaimon Brown, who was arrested on gun charges in 1991, convicted of unlawful entry in 1995, and had a restraining order slapped on him by a 13 year old girl in 2007. On top of that, turns out that Gray had been illegally diverting campaign funds to Brown to pay for Brown running a smear campaign against Fenty.
Marion S. Barry, Jr., Mayor 1979-91; 1995-99. Councilman, 1975-79; 2005-14 -- One-time distinguished leader of the Civil Rights Movement who disgraced himself and became a crackhead. In 2006, someone broke into his house and robbed him at gunpoint. Barry said he was surprised that someone had done this because, "there is a sort of an unwritten code in Washington, among the underworld and the hustlers and these other guys, that I am their friend."
Yes, this is a distinguished group of citizens who deserve to be recognized as a state.
Plus, if they were a state, Congress would lose the power to overrule DC city government decisions. You may think Congress is inept, but they're wonder working magicians compared to the DC crew.
Here's a hall of fame of DC luminaries:
Anthony A. Williams, Mayor 1999-2007 -- Led a campaign encouraging DC residents to purchase a home in the district. Did not purchase one himself. Also bankrolled a fancy stadium for the Nationals. Whether or not you think that's a good deal is a matter of opinion, I guess, but I think they can afford to build their own stadiums without getting the taxpayers to do it for them.
Adrien Fenty, Mayor 2007-11 - DC lawyer who was sanctioned by the Bar association for allowing people to steal money from an elderly client whom he'd been appoint guardian of. In 2011, he lost the Dem primary for his own reelection, but ran as a write-in on the GOP ticket, too. Nothing like covering the bases, right?
Vincent C. Gray, Mayor 2011-15 - While mayor, he was arrested for blocking traffic in front of the Hart Senate Office Building. In the middle of city-wide budget crisis, he hired one of the largest mayoral staffs in city history, including one Sulaimon Brown, who was arrested on gun charges in 1991, convicted of unlawful entry in 1995, and had a restraining order slapped on him by a 13 year old girl in 2007. On top of that, turns out that Gray had been illegally diverting campaign funds to Brown to pay for Brown running a smear campaign against Fenty.
Marion S. Barry, Jr., Mayor 1979-91; 1995-99. Councilman, 1975-79; 2005-14 -- One-time distinguished leader of the Civil Rights Movement who disgraced himself and became a crackhead. In 2006, someone broke into his house and robbed him at gunpoint. Barry said he was surprised that someone had done this because, "there is a sort of an unwritten code in Washington, among the underworld and the hustlers and these other guys, that I am their friend."
Yes, this is a distinguished group of citizens who deserve to be recognized as a state.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:43 pm to Bonck1987
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It's actually very hard to move these days, and the people that say to just move are very ignorant.
Exactly. I'm in the military so I move plenty. Even being single and having a job, a sponsor, and all kinds of people on the other side waiting to help me get settled wherever I'm going next, moving is still hard. And not only are all my expenses paid, I'm collecting per diem or TLA, DLA, and a bunch of other allowances that actually make the move profitable. It's still rated as one of the most stressful things we do.
Now imagine having two people working non-transferable jobs, two kids in school, aging parents nearby, a house you can't sell without taking a loss, and all the expense that comes with moving, etc. "Just move" is one of the most tone-deaf and asinine fricking responses to people seeking to bring about change where they live that I can imagine.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:44 pm to GetCocky11
I don't trust the British's opinions on how a Constitutional republic should work. Move out of the federal city, you ingrates. Virginia and Maryland are right there!
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:46 pm to HarryBalzack
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Yes, this is a distinguished group of citizens who deserve to be recognized as a state.
Mere amateurs compared to the professional cronys we have running my fair state.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:48 pm to GetCocky11
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I'm not a Democrat. I just can't think of a logical reason as to why DC should remain the way it is. All I've really heard from others is "that is the way it is in the Constitution" even though the Constitution has been amended many times and "if they don't like it, they can move". These aren't logical arguments.
To paraphrase the great Stephen T. Colbert, DFA: better luck next constitution.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:52 pm to HarryBalzack
quote:you're not supposed to live in a city that's basically a bowl, but plenty of people live there.
You're not supposed to live there.
this is an incredibly stupid argument

This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:55 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:The whole city isn't a bowl and the settlement there occurred before much of the current issue came about. That's not the case in DC.
you're not supposed to live in a city that's basically a bowl, but plenty of people live there.
this is an incredibly stupid argument
I won't call your criticism stupid, but it's not apples to apples.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:56 pm to Pilot Tiger
It will never happen. And nobody wants to be a Maryland resident. 
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:57 pm to GetCocky11
DISAGREE
to DC
the OP must be oblivious...don't blame me
the OP must be oblivious...don't blame me
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:57 pm to HarryBalzack
I reject any argument that equates to "just move!" or "you shouldn't be living there anyway"
You could apply that to any and every situation and that's just oversimplifying a complex issue
You could apply that to any and every situation and that's just oversimplifying a complex issue
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:00 pm to GetCocky11
I just don't understand what the big deal would be just to merge DC with Maryland. Doesn't give us any more senators that would be ridiculous if DC had two of them and would increase by a member or two in the House. There's no logical reason not to do this.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:04 pm to OMLandshark
quote:DC doesn't want to be a part of Maryland and Maryland doesn't want to absorb DC.
There's no logical reason not to do this.
DC wants to stay DC, but have voting representation in Congress.
I don't think it's too much to ask
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