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re: John Oliver discusses DC Statehood -- Agree or Disagree?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:40 am to weagle99
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:40 am to weagle99
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2 Lib senators and a lib house member
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They are forced to live in DC?
We've already been through these lines of arguments. The whole "Lib" argument is pretty horrible.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 10:41 am
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:43 am to GetCocky11
Here's a hint for you: None of the chuckleheads pushing for statehood today would be pushing for it if DC were some conservative / libertarian utopia.
If you think this is about anything other than 2 guaranteed Dem senators then you are frankly being naive.
If you think this is about anything other than 2 guaranteed Dem senators then you are frankly being naive.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:44 am to GetCocky11
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Because over 650,000 have no real representation in the legislature?
No one in this country has "real" representation in the legislature.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:44 am to weagle99
quote:can't believe all those idiots who live in a tornado prone area.
They are forced to live in DC?
what about all those idiots who live in city below sea level?
I can't believe how many dummies live around fault lines or in big cities or in small cities or in the country or near alligators and snakes or near hurricane zones or in areas with drought.
Seriously, your argument is weak as hell
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:45 am to weagle99
quote:typical idiotic response
If you think this is about anything other than 2 guaranteed Dem senators then you are frankly being naive.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:46 am to weagle99
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If you think this is about anything other than 2 guaranteed Dem senators then you are frankly being naive.
Of course I know that is why DC Statehood or DC full representation hasn't happened (at least in my cynical view) . I'm not stupid. But it is still a horrible reason when discussing why it should or should not happen.
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:48 am to GetCocky11
Like I really care what that annoying Limey has to say. Why not give the land back to Virginia and Maryland and do away with the entire District of Columbia. After all, the only reason whe HAVE the D of C is so that one state cannot claim the nation's capital.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:48 am to arcalades
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No one in this country has "real" representation in the legislature.
This is kind of what I was thinking. The only way you could get really upset by this would be to have a real faith in our democracy that most adults have lost by this point. I find this one kinda hard to give a shite about.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:49 am to Pilot Tiger
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Seriously, your argument is weak as hell
If representation were an important issue to me, why would I chose to live in an area that offered no representation?
I can rattle off around 10 states that I will never live in because of their laws on various subjects because that is important to me. Obviously there are things in DC more important to the residents than representation in Congress.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:49 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Why not give the land back to Virginia and Maryland and do away with the entire District of Columbia.
you answered your own question...
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whe HAVE the D of C is so that one state cannot claim the nation's capital.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:52 am to GetCocky11
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Why not just cede the primarily residential areas back to Maryland and keep the areas with the White House, The Capital, and the Supreme Court in a more compact District? It wouldn't be perfect, but could it work? You'd have DC, Maryland and DC, the federal district.
It's plausible, but the hassle of defining those boundaries and adopting new laws would be astoundingly challenging. Even getting to that point would require current DC residents to be on the same page, which would be an impossibility.
There are folks who would still live within the federal district boundaries, and they would still be without representation. It wouldn't be many, but what is the point of giving representation to most current DC residents? It should be all or nothing.
Also, it would leave little blotches of federal property all over Maryland/Virginia, and agencies like the Department of Interior would see their purpose of existence diminish quickly.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:52 am to weagle99
DC has a non voting Representative. Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands do too.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:53 am to Bluefin
they could solve this issue easily by just exempting DC residents from paying federal income taxes...
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:53 am to GetCocky11
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But it is still a horrible reason when discussing why it should or should not happen.
Well, here's a reason for me: I don't want an area that is so heavily dependent on Federal government spending to have an equal say in how Federal government tax money is spent.
Would that 'state' even have an economy without FedGov?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:53 am to Brosef Stalin
quote:guess which one of those areas pays federal income taxes...
DC has a non voting Representative. Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands do too.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:55 am to weagle99
quote:because so much of the population is on the "other team" you want to deny them voting representation in Congress.
Well, here's a reason for me: I don't want an area that is so heavily dependent on Federal government spending to have an equal say in how Federal government tax money is spent.
how American of you
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:55 am to Pilot Tiger
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they could solve this issue easily by just exempting DC residents from paying federal income taxes...
Give up all federal benefits and salaries.
Deal?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:55 am to GetCocky11
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Of course I know that is why DC Statehood or DC full representation hasn't happened (at least in my cynical view) . I'm not stupid. But it is still a horrible reason when discussing why it should or should not happen.
I haven't heard a compelling reason why it should happen either. Under the Constitution, you step on Federal lands you are subject to Congress's discretionary police powers. If I decide to step onto Yellowstone I have to deal with the same thing. I just don't find this issue particularly compelling because I don't find it "fair" or "unfair," its just the situation that occurs when you decide to enter upon federal lands.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:56 am to weagle99
quote:nope
Give up all federal benefits and salaries. Deal?
Posted on 8/3/15 at 10:56 am to Pilot Tiger
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they could solve this issue easily by just exempting DC residents from paying federal income taxes...
And I guess DC residents would also get zero federal benefits as well?
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