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re: jealous of Arizona Parents right now: state now gives them control of education funds

Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by xxGEAUXxx
minneapolis
Member since Dec 2012
1345 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:17 pm to
You still support the grooming of children
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
12966 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:17 pm to
Just what Abraham Kuyper presented in the 19th century.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:18 pm to
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Those parents will get to use the funds intended for their students, also.
An area that has 2,000 school aged kids where 1000 of them attend public schools and the other 1000 attend private schools is going to pay all 2000 kids' tuition money? They're going to do that despite only budgeting and paying for 1000 the year before that?
This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 6:20 pm
Posted by 3rdRowTailgater
Tulsa
Member since Jul 2006
19039 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:18 pm to
Public schools will continue to suck, private schools will begin to decline, charter schools will still be overrun by con artists looking for a government handout and incompetent parents will be "homeschooling" their kids to get a paycheck.


Going to be a disaster.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32065 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:18 pm to
Teacher Unions on notice…..hahaha….Nevermind they’ll never let this shite pass. Let’s be real, it’s about control and not the kids.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7724 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:34 pm to
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Shitty schools in minority neighborhoods have been something they've decried for decades, and now those kids have the freedom to go to a better school and improve their outcomes.
Not so fast. Those kids might not have the freedom to go those schools.

Private schools do not have to accept all students, while public schools generally do.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12758 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:17 pm to
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Your private school child is going to get voucher money too?

Why not? We pay our taxes, and we aren’t rich. This law isn’t about helping poor people, though it will. It’s about empowering parents to do what they think is best educationally for their children. In case you hadn’t noticed, public schools in this country, more often than not, suck, and teachers and administrators are not held accountable to parents or students. At my kids school, they are. Can’t put a price on that.
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
5238 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:46 pm to
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Your private school child is going to get voucher money too?


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An area that has 2,000 school aged kids where 1000 of them attend public schools and the other 1000 attend private schools is going to pay all 2000 kids' tuition money? They're going to do that despite only budgeting and paying for 1000 the year before that?


Let me spell it out for you Jake, since you apparently don't own property and pay property taxes.

Property taxes include a levy for public school funding. ALL property owners under 65 pay it whether or not they have kids and whether or not their kids attend public school. So yes, property owners who have their kids in private school pay for public schools that they do not use. So if those parents get vouchers for their kids to attend the private school they already attend, then they actually get some use for previously "dead" money.

And if a public school system suddenly takes a funding cut because of tuition vouchers, they can trim their budget by eliminating the hundreds of bloated administrative positions they currently fund with that "dead" money. I can promise you they aren't spending a lot of it on the kids; I have worked with school districts all over the country for over a decade and I've yet to see one that doesn't have a lot of dead weight it can trim at the central office.

Posted by Cajun75
Member since Mar 2022
917 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:49 pm to
Heard about this the other day.....yeah that would help a lot here in LA. Currently I can only claim 1/2 of what my homeschool tuition cost is on my taxes, and my Christian Health sharing plan isn't deductible at all since it isn't "health insurance"!
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:54 pm to
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I don’t have any kids but I am still paying for a broken education system.


If you live in a nice area, I bet your local schools are not broken and the high quality of those schools help maintain the quality of your neighborhood
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35099 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:55 pm to
private schools will be a slow methodical tuition increase
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:00 pm to
If this pisses off the unions then I am ok with it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:00 pm to
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Your private school child is going to get voucher money too?


Yes. That's how school choice works.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:01 pm to
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An area that has 2,000 school aged kids where 1000 of them attend public schools and the other 1000 attend private schools is going to pay all 2000 kids' tuition money? They're going to do that despite only budgeting and paying for 1000 the year before that?


Yes. The fact that school systems are bad at budgeting has nothing to do with this.
This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 8:02 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:06 pm to
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teacher's union going ape shite


They are trying to ban using mother and father in schools
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:10 pm to
Well, you may see more private schools, which would reduce costs, and public schools would remain, which would provide price competition.

But for me, this is about making sure children aren’t taught poison.
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7163 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:10 pm to
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An area that has 2,000 school aged kids where 1000 of them attend public schools and the other 1000 attend private schools is going to pay all 2000 kids' tuition money? They're going to do that despite only budgeting and paying for 1000 the year before that


They were all paying taxes genius. Actually, the private school families were likely paying most of the taxes. Some public school families were. And a good chunk of public school families probably paid ZERO property taxes.
Posted by Tigerbythetale
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2014
1458 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:15 pm to



Teachers Unions ruined public schools

This is a first step in the right direction
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
11025 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:17 pm to
Why should private get public money?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80030 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:17 pm to
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Let me spell it out for you Jake, since you apparently don't own property and pay property taxes.
I pay tens of thousands in taxes which includes property taxes. You don't answer where the increase in dollars needed for vouchers for all is going to come from. In my example, 1000 kids who were not budgeted for in the public school system will now receive some of that funding. The amount of property taxes collected isn't being raised, is it? Don't tell me about cutting the public school budgets because there is a baseline to that spending that will need to remain in place for the students that remain.
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