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re: JBE Lied in Today's Briefing - New Cases in LDH Region 2 are Declining | Data Inside
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:33 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:33 am to tgrbaitn08
I’d say that curve is pretty fricking flat
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:33 am to shawnlsu
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LINK
right in line with the common cold R0
and here is plenty more
You are using pure emotion to say "one of the most contagious viruses ever"
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:33 am to tgrbaitn08
We want truth during these briefings
Seems to be in VERY short supply from our "leaders"
Seems to be in VERY short supply from our "leaders"
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:34 am to lsupride87
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You are using pure emotion to say "one of the most contagious viruses ever"
It's going to take a LONG time for people to stop using early March Covid hype talking points despite all the data coming in saying it's nowhere near as bad as people claimed.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:35 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I’d say that curve is pretty fricking flat
even if it spikes again we will never and we were never in a situation where hospitals were would overwhelmed or threatened too run out of vents and beds. that was the whole point in the stay at home...
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:36 am to shawnlsu
Yikes.
It was originally thought to be over 5 based on Wuhan data. And then we had closed systems and more studies. Nearly all of the recent ones have the R0 between 2 and 2.5. Even the NYT as recently as last week put out a story admitting the low R0 and linked all the studies.
For someone who claims to have opinions based on data, you sure do suck at data analysis.
It was originally thought to be over 5 based on Wuhan data. And then we had closed systems and more studies. Nearly all of the recent ones have the R0 between 2 and 2.5. Even the NYT as recently as last week put out a story admitting the low R0 and linked all the studies.
For someone who claims to have opinions based on data, you sure do suck at data analysis.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:37 am to shawnlsu
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The R0 for COVID-19 is a median of 5.7, according to a study published online in Emerging Infectious Diseases. That’s about double an earlier R0 estimate of 2.2 to 2.7
R0 is not a stagnant figure. It changes. The study you linked is estimating the initial R0 at the epicenter of Wuhan, not the base R0.
The base R0, as calculated by most experts, is around 2.5.
In Louisiana, we are currently under 2.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:39 am to Antonio Moss
quote:He uses facts, not emotion.
R0 is not a stagnant figure. It changes. The study you linked is estimating the initial R0 at the epicenter of Wuhan, not the base R0.
The base R0, as calculated by most experts, is around 2.5.
In Louisiana, we are currently under 2.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:40 am to tgrbaitn08
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we were never in a situation where hospitals were would overwhelmed
That's not entirely true.
New Orleans was in a fairly precarious position for a short time.
But that time has passed.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:41 am to ell_13
I am eagerly awaiting the JBE fact check article that Stephanie Grace is working diligently on I'm sure.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:41 am to Antonio Moss
Yeah and shutting the state down didn’t do a damn thing because the population most hard hit and most susceptible wasn’t isolating or distancing anyway.
ETA
But that’s in the past. I agree with you that THAT time has passed and we need to move on
ETA
But that’s in the past. I agree with you that THAT time has passed and we need to move on
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 9:42 am
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Yeah and shutting the state down didn’t do a damn thing
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:44 am to Pintail
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If you do Region 4 it will piss you off even more. I will put all the numbers together later. I can send them to you to add to your drive.
Region 4 has been on the decline for 26 days since their peak of 159 cases on April 2.
I just compiled the data for Region 4...on a case by day basis it has plateaued at worst.. 14 day rolling average shows a steep drop.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:48 am to LNCHBOX
Data shows that Nola was already saturated prior to the stay at home orders. It’s why they are seeing the declines. Because it ran its course not because stay at home worked there and people were being good little citizens compared to other locations.
The places now being blamed for keeping the state closed were hit way later and stay at home worked and their “plateau” is further out.
So shutting the state down did do something... it has given JBE an excuse to stay shut down longer.
The places now being blamed for keeping the state closed were hit way later and stay at home worked and their “plateau” is further out.
So shutting the state down did do something... it has given JBE an excuse to stay shut down longer.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:49 am to ell_13
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Data shows that Nola was already saturated prior to the stay at home orders. It’s why they are seeing the declines. Because it ran its course not because stay at home worked there and people were being good little citizens compared to other locations.
Stay at home definitely reduced the spread.
Don't be naive.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:51 am to ell_13
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Data shows that Nola was already saturated prior to the stay at home orders. It’s why they are seeing the declines. Because it ran its course not because stay at home worked there and people were being good little citizens compared to other locations.
The places now being blamed for keeping the state closed were hit way later and stay at home worked and their “plateau” is further out.
So shutting the state down did do something... it has given JBE an excuse to stay shut down longer.
It makes it impossible to take yall seriously if you're going to actually claim that the shut downs did nothing. It's possible to not agree with what JBE is doing without going full retard.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:51 am to Antonio Moss
not to you, Moss.
some of you need to take a breath.
we started with flatten the curve + we cannot overrun the hospitals. while i am not in total agreement with shutting down, i can stomach this.
now we have the "powers that be" supplying stats without complete and transparent substantiating information. if anyone reads this thread they will realize that you can find any statistic you like if you look hard enough. EX: total sick numbers mean NOTHING at this point. Politicians started with trends needing to be controlled. now they want to show us total numbers. What we should all ask is where the statistics are coming from...with dates.
now, they are mentioning contact tracing, and demanding a vaccine before opening up. If you cannot see that goalposts have moved, then you do not want to see it.
Why can we not open up everything while reminding people who may have the underlying issues that make this sickness bad that they are the ones that need to take the additional precautions?
some of you need to take a breath.
we started with flatten the curve + we cannot overrun the hospitals. while i am not in total agreement with shutting down, i can stomach this.
now we have the "powers that be" supplying stats without complete and transparent substantiating information. if anyone reads this thread they will realize that you can find any statistic you like if you look hard enough. EX: total sick numbers mean NOTHING at this point. Politicians started with trends needing to be controlled. now they want to show us total numbers. What we should all ask is where the statistics are coming from...with dates.
now, they are mentioning contact tracing, and demanding a vaccine before opening up. If you cannot see that goalposts have moved, then you do not want to see it.
Why can we not open up everything while reminding people who may have the underlying issues that make this sickness bad that they are the ones that need to take the additional precautions?
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:52 am to fightin tigers
It slows spread where the spread hasn’t already taken place. It doesn’t reduce the number of cases over time.
Don’t be naive.
Don’t be naive.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:53 am to LNCHBOX
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It makes it impossible to take yall seriously if you're going to actually claim that the shut downs did nothing
Exactly. Whether it was the right or wrong thing to do is debatable, but staying home will reduce spread.
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:53 am to Golfer
Yes. Never have believed much that came out of these press conferences. We ended our shut down last week.
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