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re: JBE drops the hammer
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:13 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:13 am to Paul Allen
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C students are the ones that usually become the movers and shakers of society. Most innovative entrepreneurs aren't A or B students.
Sounds like something C students say to make themselves feel better.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:17 am to Paul Allen
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C students are the ones that usually become the movers and shakers of society. Most innovative entrepreneurs aren't A or B students.
That's fine. They should figure out innovative methods of paying for their higher education. You should be rewarded for what you've DONE not for what you might do.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:21 am to Mr. Wayne
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Which is absolute bullshite. I'd have zero issue with this raise in requirements if it were across the board.
You can't really expect a kid who grew up in the hood with a dozen brothers and sisters, no father, and poor as shite to have the same access to education as a kid who grew up on Highland road with a stay at home mom and a CEO post graduate educated father. It's fricking ridiculous to expect those two kids to have the same opportunities in life.
I don't know what the answer is, but not giving the lessor educated a chance doesn't do anyone any favors.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:22 am to foj1981
bout damn time
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:24 am to Barf
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don't know what the answer is, but not giving the lessor educated a chance doesn't do anyone any favors.
how do they not have a chance?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:25 am to foj1981
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Minimum ACT 26
Good. It's not called MEDIOCRES
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:26 am to 68wDoc68w
I def did not like the tax hikes but I can at least appreciate JBE for working with the legislature and trying to get us out of the vicious cycle of budgetary crises.
I personally feel it is time we adopt a new Louisiana Constitution eliminating all of the fiscal protections for state agencies while also developing a more stable source of revenue.
I personally feel it is time we adopt a new Louisiana Constitution eliminating all of the fiscal protections for state agencies while also developing a more stable source of revenue.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:27 am to Barf
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I don't know what the answer is, but by not giving the lessor educated a chance doesn't do anyone any favors.
As with most things in our society, I think the pendulum tends to swing either too far left or right.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:30 am to 68wDoc68w
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how do they not have a chance?
They do have a chance. But to some people if everyone doesn't have the same, exact chance life is unfair. The whole notion of egalitarianism is perverted.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:35 am to FlyingTiger06
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this is going to really hurt kids from small schools (like I went to) in rural areas who are never exposed to things that show up on the ACT, particularly in math and science.
What??? you didn't have math and science at your school? I am from a very rural area and went to a small inept high school. I scored a 28 and actually had higher scores in math and science. It needs to be higher. The state can not afford to pay for someone to go to school. Everyone bitches about welfare. TOPS is welfare at its current state. It is a hand out and needs to be cut severely.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:37 am to Barf
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You can't really expect a kid who grew up in the hood with a dozen brothers and sisters, no father, and poor as shite to have the same access to education as a kid who grew up on Highland road with a stay at home mom and a CEO post graduate educated father. It's fricking ridiculous to expect those two kids to have the same opportunities in life.
I don't know what the answer is, but not giving the lessor educated a chance doesn't do anyone any favors.
Hey guess what that is life. You make your own chances, not wait for someone to give you one.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:37 am to Barf
Tell that to the kids that go to the same school but study and try to improve themselves and make the required scores. They both have the same opportunities. Some take them and some don't.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:38 am to Barf
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I don't know what the answer is, but not giving the lessor educated a chance doesn't do anyone any favors.
I don't have any answers either but where do you draw the line? And I'm seriously not being ugly. NO MATTER WHERE THE LINE IS DRAWN, someone will be "left out".
And I don't equate a 24 on the ACT with not being college material (not replying that to you Barf, but others here).
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:40 am to Barf
quote:Does this hypothetical child go to school? If so then he/she has the opportunity to score a 26 on the ACT. Would it be easier for the lesser privileged student? Probably not. But it's not the responsibility of our government to make it easier for this child. That's the parents' responsibility. And if the parents aren't present and active in this child's education that's unfortunate but something the tax payer shouldn't be burdened with.
I don't know what the answer is, but not giving the lessor educated a chance doesn't do anyone any favors.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:54 am to ssgtiger
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Hey guess what that is life. You make your own chances, not wait for someone to give you one.
This. I grew up poor in NBR and went to public schools. I was lucky enough to have teachers in elementary school that recognized I was a bright student and recommended me for gifted and talented testing...which put me on the path to go to gifted schools and then magnet for high school. I saw early on that education was the key to getting out of the hood and not being poor. And I didn't even have TOPS back then for college.
Do they still offer pell grants? I took out student loans for college, but also got pell grants every year. They weren't much (maybe like $1500 a year) but every little bit helped.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:54 am to tigerinthebueche
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They do have a chance. But to some people if everyone doesn't have the same, exact chance life is unfair. The whole notion of egalitarianism is perverted.
guess they were never taught "life isn't fair"
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:57 am to Paul Allen
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C students are the ones that usually become the movers and shakers of society. Most innovative entrepreneurs aren't A or B students.
You don't understand the reason behind this?
It's called "risk". Like the Twain quote :"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure."
1. C students are more plentiful (so by shear volume, they have more "chances", and a better network "who you know")
2. Dunning–Kruger effect- cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. While highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others. (stupid people don't know how much they don't know, intelligent people know enough to know that they aren't experts and assume the C-student who is confident in his ability knows more)
You see this all the time. 10 restaurants open, 8 go out of business, and everyone looks at the C student restaurateur as a success, and not the 8 C student failures.
You see this in the trades, a guy says "no problem I do this all the time, 1/4 hardy backer, and you can tile and grout it and it will be perfect for 50 years." Intelligent guy, but I thought pier and beam has issues with tile.
C-student- that's what the backer if for, trust me I do this all the time.
Intelligent guy assumes C student is right because he's so confident in his ability, and Intelligent guy admits to not knowing all the ins and outs of tiling.
Month later, grout is cracking....C-student, well that's because your subfloor is pine. That's a soft-wood, I thought it was a hardwood sub floor. You should have choosen the 1/2" backer board instead.
They take uneducated chances and expose themselves to risk...and taking risks pays off for a few.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:15 am to ssgtiger
This thread gets stupider by the hour.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:20 am to 68wDoc68w
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This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:23 am to FlyingTiger06
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Because TOPS was originally supposed to help those kids who could not get an academic scholarship and was intended to lift our state's education level. Again, the kids who will suffer most from this are those from rural schools who aren't exposed to a lot of things they'll eventually be tested on with the ACT.
There's tons of other government waste and useless social programs that should have funding pulled before you mess with education programs.
Incorrect. TOPS was meant as an attempt to try and keep smart and capable individuals, from any walk of life-rural or urban, in state for college which would hopefully keep them in state for post-college life to help build a better state workforce more attuned to modern jobs growth.
It was then routinely destroyed over time because of Louisiana's corruptive politics and yes - is now given to kids who don't really deserve it and don't really add anything to the state workforce. It's completely ineffective for what its intended goal was.
Class of '00 TOPS recipient - Currently living in Utah - Because yeah I'm in software/SaaS. (But I did give back for 4 years, so there's that.)
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 10:24 am
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