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re: It’s storming in NOLA and Turbine 4 just shut down
Posted on 2/4/24 at 4:42 pm to neworleansnotsouthla
Posted on 2/4/24 at 4:42 pm to neworleansnotsouthla
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Where is the mayor?
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Bad faith argument, This has been happening before and likely after.
Found the mayor
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:44 am to neworleansnotsouthla
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Where is the mayor?Bad faith argument, This has been happening before and likely after.
Yep, it is not like the mayor runs the sewerage and water board that is in charge of drainage. Also, it is not like she is the one that has to sign off or push the button when the pumps start.
At least in other areas some of this is controlled through SCADA and remote telemetry.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:31 am to Tarps99
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, it is not like the mayor runs the sewerage and water board that is in charge of drainage.
In New Orleans, the mayor is also President of NOS&WB, which "handles" the city's drainage.
I don't think LaToya decides if or when to turn the pumps on, but she's (allegedly) in the loop for major decisions. She's not to blame for years of institutional dysfunction, but she can't plea ignorance to all of SW&B's problems.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:03 am to NoSaint
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There was definitely a gap where they were out. Sudden resolution when they came back on in neighborhoods- even several videos of the strong currents to the drains once they were running.
Article today confirmed with turbine 4 out they had to ration power. If the substation were in place, I don’t think that happens during this event.
At least in my neighborhood, it was like a flip was switched and the street was drained very quickly once the water started moving.
News today is also pointing the finger at catch basins (responsibility of the public works department). The numbers speak for themselves with DPW only cleaning 5,000 of the 70,000 catch basins in the last 2 years so I’m sure that is an issue. But at least in our neighborhood I think it’s a power rationing issue because the water moves and clears when the pump is on by us.
With 70,000 catch basins to clean, young men in the city of New Orleans should never be out of work.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:35 pm to ned nederlander
70,000 catch basins.
Yeesh.
Yeesh.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:47 pm to ned nederlander
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News today is also pointing the finger at catch basins
The ones along parade routes were covered up weeks ago.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:03 pm to ned nederlander
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With 70,000 catch basins to clean, young men in the city of New Orleans should never be out of work.
The problem is they only have a couple trucks capable of the cleaning for them… so they point at that as the bottleneck
That said, I’d imagine most don’t need a specialty truck to get them working
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:05 pm to BigApple
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The ones along parade routes were covered up weeks ago.
I still don’t think basins were the issue. So many neighborhoods reported water going down smoothly once pumps were flipped on - which isn’t a basin blockage issue.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:31 pm to NoSaint
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still don’t think basins were the issue. So many neighborhoods reported water going down smoothly once pumps were flipped on - which isn’t a basin blockage issue.
Only an issue on the route. Areas not on route were not impacted by catch basin issue.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:31 pm to NoSaint
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NoSaint
Give it up
Some people that live in Chalmette will never understand
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Only an issue on the route. Areas not on route were not impacted by catch basin issue.
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LSUFanHouston
Since you live in chalmette and weren’t even in the city Saturday night, please enlighten us as to what parts of the parade routes actually flooded since you seem to be the expert on everything that is SWB and DPW issues.
Parade routes only
We’re waiting since you started a separate thread calling me out.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:51 pm to NoSaint
It's not just the catch basins, it's the pipes from the catch basins as well. DPW is in charge of all stormwater pipes less than 30" (or 36", my memory is hazy). Subsidence has caused a lot of issues with those pipes. They're all busted up and run up and downhill in broken segments. There are many, many places where the catch basins are lower than the pipes they drain into. cleaning the catch basins only does so much. You see a lot of these issues in higher subsidence areas like Gentilly, Lakeview, and East.
We actually explored an idea to backflood the drainage system by raising canal water levels and/or pumping backwards. The theory was that the busted-up drainage pipes would help keep the soil constantly wet and lessen subsidence. A sort of gigantic drip irrigation system, if you will. We did a small-scale test on Canal St in Metairie. It was actually pretty successful in keeping groundwater levels high in the neighborhood, but mosquito control was an issue. We needed to find a better way to keep the water moving other than cycling the drawdown and back-flood cycles
We actually explored an idea to backflood the drainage system by raising canal water levels and/or pumping backwards. The theory was that the busted-up drainage pipes would help keep the soil constantly wet and lessen subsidence. A sort of gigantic drip irrigation system, if you will. We did a small-scale test on Canal St in Metairie. It was actually pretty successful in keeping groundwater levels high in the neighborhood, but mosquito control was an issue. We needed to find a better way to keep the water moving other than cycling the drawdown and back-flood cycles
Posted on 2/5/24 at 5:58 pm to Rebel
She second lining in the Netherlands learning about levee systems. 
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:40 pm to tgrbaitn08
Since you won't believe me, maybe you will believe the head of the SWB?
So... St Charles and Louisiana... that is part of the uptown route...
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But he noted that some areas were impacted by blocked catch basins, particularly along St. Charles Avenue, where the basins were intentionally covered as part of preparations for Carnival parades.
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"We have to actively remove them to allow for water to flow," said Korban, who noted that he personally saw the intersection of St. Charles and Louisiana avenues flood because of blocked catch basins. "I've never seen that intersection underwater and that was exactly why."
So... St Charles and Louisiana... that is part of the uptown route...
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
I’m really not sure what exactly the point you’re trying to make, or what kinda gotcha you’re attempting
The heavy rain and flooding started 2 hours after the last float passed St Charles and Louisiana, and the streets were bone dry as of 10 o’clock.
I’m trying to figure out what your angle is
Remind me again what makes you an expert on what happened Saturday evening?
The heavy rain and flooding started 2 hours after the last float passed St Charles and Louisiana, and the streets were bone dry as of 10 o’clock.
I’m trying to figure out what your angle is
Remind me again what makes you an expert on what happened Saturday evening?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:54 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So... St Charles and Louisiana... that is part of the uptown route...
Yes. It is
I’m still missing your “gotcha”
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:02 pm to tgrbaitn08
Are you special?
The drains along the route were blocked. The blocks sit out there for the entire parade season. They were placed weeks ago. They will be picked up after Fat Tuesday.
The guy who is in charge of the SWB said that contributed to the flooding along the parade route. He said, and I refer you to the quote I just posted here, that the intersection of St Charles and Louisiana has not flooded before, it flooded on Saturday, and that is why.
Eventually, the water made it's way to non-blocked drains, off the route, and the street eventually drained, but it was a much slower process, due to capacity restraints.
This isn't a complicated concept. I think everyone but you understand this.
You said, the system worked as designed. That is false.
I understand why the drains were blocked - they are trying to keep beads and trash from clogging them - but it's clear that this can lead to other problems if we have a lot of rain during parade season, when the drains are blocked.
The drains along the route were blocked. The blocks sit out there for the entire parade season. They were placed weeks ago. They will be picked up after Fat Tuesday.
The guy who is in charge of the SWB said that contributed to the flooding along the parade route. He said, and I refer you to the quote I just posted here, that the intersection of St Charles and Louisiana has not flooded before, it flooded on Saturday, and that is why.
Eventually, the water made it's way to non-blocked drains, off the route, and the street eventually drained, but it was a much slower process, due to capacity restraints.
This isn't a complicated concept. I think everyone but you understand this.
You said, the system worked as designed. That is false.
I understand why the drains were blocked - they are trying to keep beads and trash from clogging them - but it's clear that this can lead to other problems if we have a lot of rain during parade season, when the drains are blocked.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:06 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Since you live in chalmette and weren’t even in the city Saturday night, please enlighten us as to what parts of the parade routes actually flooded since you seem to be the expert on everything that is SWB and DPW issues.
Parade routes only
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So... St Charles and Louisiana... that is part of the uptown route...
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Yes. It is
I’m still missing your “gotcha”
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
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You said, the system worked as designed.
When and where did I say that?
Please link that post where I said “the entire system worked as designed”
This is the 4th time I’ve ask you to link where I said that.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 7:10 pm to lostinbr
So 1 intersection along a 5 mile parade route got water in the street and that means the entire parade route flooded and the whole city flooded
Okay, I guess you got me
Okay, I guess you got me
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