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re: It's Still Kiddie Porn Even if it's AI Generated - Wisconsin Arrest

Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:18 pm to
Going just off the thread title and not wasting my time reading about a real POS...So is AI porn rape since you can't get consent? If you watch violent movies and enjoy it, are you guilty of violent crimes? Wtf are they talking about porn without real people is still illegal. In that case arrest every one of those furry assholes for beastiality. And half of all porn hub for incest.
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:20 pm to
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Fact: we do not know there is no fixing them, and developing a treatment plan


Fine

Proposed treatment model: Bullet behind the ear,

Experimental Duration: Indefinite.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26314 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:20 pm to
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Going just off the thread title and not wasting my time reading about a real POS...So is porn and AI porn rape since you can't get consent? If you watch violent movies and enjoy it arr you guilty of violent crimes? Wtf are they talking about porn without real people is still illegal. In that case arrest every one of those furry assholes for beastiality.


And what about first person shooter games, is that going to be a virtual violent crime? Seems kinda dystopian.

PS the guy in the article posted by the OP should be out to death, imo.
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
15190 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:21 pm to
Off course. Even if they “look” underage it’s still going to called kiddie porn.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31655 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:23 pm to
What about AI look-a-likes???

Didn't Jennifer Lawrence sue someone over an AI image of her?
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:32 pm to
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I'm promoting a path to treatment, brother.


There are two paths to treatment:

1. Death. I favor this approach for pedos

2. Testicle removal combined with solitary life imprisonment in a VERY small, dark room with no windows, tv, phone, nothing.

Either of those are the only appropriate treatment.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476560 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:34 pm to
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There are two paths to treatment:

We do not know this.

To my knowledge, we haven't even done a single study with the new paths we've recently found for treating mental illnesses and OCD-type issues, like hallucinogens or Ozempic.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
14648 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:50 pm to
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We do not know this.


We know for certain that either of the two paths I've listed will keep a pedo from every offending again. That's all I'm really concerned about with these. 100% effective prevention of ever doing that again.
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
7837 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:57 pm to
This is weird because on one hand, these sick fricks are twisted well beyond repair (I don’t think any amount of therapy will help, other than the threat of getting assraped in prison). I’d rather them get their fix on fake shite than hurt a child.

On the other hand, if this is made legal it sets a really nasty precedent. You’d have AI generated child porn rings that were completely legal. Other than it being creepy and disgusting as hell, they could find themselves alone with their friend’s kid after baseball practice one day, and show them a completely legal video and coax them into reenacting the video because “see? It’s no big deal.”
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
7837 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 5:59 pm to
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I’m always so torn on this debate. Same thing with child sex dolls. It’s obviously creepy as frick and I want these dudes in jail, but if they can get off on fake pictures and fake dolls and it saves them from ever needing the “real” thing then it’s a good thing overall for society.



I’m the same way. I leave my personal opinions out of it and look at the actual law. I just posted this but the TLDR version is, it sets a bad precedent to make AI child porn rings which is creepy as hell. And it’s only a matter of time before they show it to a kid to get them to warm up to the idea. They may end up just using it as a vehicle to hurt more children without having to groom as much. Slippery slope.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36758 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:07 pm to
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You don't wan them to stop? Why is that?



I want them to stop. If we throw them off a cliff, they will stop


Stop projecting
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:13 pm to
I absolutely love thinking about these victimless taboo topics, incest and beastiality it makes our brains become discombobulated. Our sheer emotional disgust of the topic makes us incapable of thinking logically, and is the basis of the hatred for homosexuality.


A person should be able to seek help without fear or repercussions.

Not sure about the escalation to real child abuse. Today people are less sexually active than ever. It’s actually an epidemic of young men who are satisfied with just porn and not real women.
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 6:17 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36758 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:17 pm to
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without fear or repercussions.



What in the ever-loving frick?

What are the odds some dude sends ai kiddie porn to kids and hasn’t ever diddled one? No repercussions for that?
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
2153 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:22 pm to
Never implied any of that. For both of the actions mentioned there should be consequences. But their should be a pathway for people who feel they may harm others to get help, therapy, or even chemical castration if that person so wishes.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36758 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:26 pm to
Y’all are acting as if there’s some giant population that is attracted to children but doesn’t act upon it. There are no numbers to support this. If true at all, it is a fraction of a fraction of all people attracted to kids.


How many people do you think would be willing to say “yeah man I used to bang kids but I quit”?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26314 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:29 pm to
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Never implied any of that. For both of the actions mentioned there should be consequences. But their should be a pathway for people who feel they may harm others to get help, therapy, or even chemical castration if that person so wishes.


Does such a pathway not exist? You said it should be without fear and repercussions. I feel it is likely without legal repercussions today (if they’ve committed no crimes) but it can never be without fear or social repercussions and I’m not sure why it should be. People can and should be judged for thoughts they share with others, even if they don’t act on them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476560 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:35 pm to
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I want them to stop. If we throw them off a cliff, they will stop


Stop projecting

So much ironing, Harrison Butker would be proud
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476560 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:37 pm to
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What in the ever-loving frick?

What are the odds some dude sends ai kiddie porn to kids and hasn’t ever diddled one? No repercussions for that?


What does that have to do with:

quote:

A person should be able to seek help


?

You know, the part you left out to selectively quote.
Posted by The Shaqtus
Member since Jun 2015
622 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:46 pm to
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And once you make virtual child porn illegal, how are you going to determine whether a picture looks like it’s of a fictional 18 year old or a fictional 17 year old?


This was exactly my first thought. Of course there would be obvious cases, but how would a court determine the age of something that does not exist?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:59 pm to
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Since you think there is a cure for this, you must also be OK with parents trying to turn their gay kids straight, y'know since sexualities are apparently pliable

I think that argument cuts both ways. If you think all pedophiles (regardless of whether they’ve acted on any impulses) are what they are, and that there’s no treatment under the sun that could cure them, what does that mean about gay people? What about trans people? Do you think they are inherently gay/trans, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it? Do you think that applies to all of them? I think that would certainly have.. implications. Particularly as it applies to transgender folks.

I suspect there’s a spectrum, ranging from treatable to lost cause / nature to nurture, as there is with many mental illnesses. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume there are likely victims of sexual abuse out there who have urges but have not acted on them.

And you should be able to call it a mental illness without giving them a pass for their actions. I can understand the reasons that folks who research this kind of thing would want some level of de-stigmatism - so those people can come forward. If there is a way to treat those people, it’s a net benefit for society to do so. It’s not unlike wanting kids who shoot up a school to get help before they pass the point of no return.

At the same time, I can see the counter-argument that de-stigmatism and enablement go hand-in-hand. I think that ship has largely sailed with the internet now that anyone can find like-minded people on just about any topic, but I get it. Some things should be stigmatized, too, and this certainly falls into that category. So I don’t think it’s black and white at all really.
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