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re: ITEP critics defeat ExxonMobil tax break requests Thursday at School Board
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:27 am to Mudminnow
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:27 am to Mudminnow
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Curious why you would turn it down? Family reasons? Taking care of a sick loved one?
Mainly because I have 50/50 custody of my 12 year old daughter.
Oh, and it’s Corpus.
Seriously thinking about making a move to another site once she’s off to college. Baton Rouge is getting more and more depressing.
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:27 am to Prominentwon
quote:Louisiana doesn’t have a funding issue. They spend more per student than every other state.
Whatever they can do to start improving the education system in this state, I’m for it. ESPECIALLY if it’s taxing the largest and most profitable company in the world.
Anyone who believes the issue is funding is horribly misinformed.
LA has a bloated admin problem.
Half of all school admin systems need to be fired and that money need to be used to increase teacher pay.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:27 am to Ed Osteen
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are you in this thread just to argue with everyone?
Not at all. I think the decision is awful. I'm just saying that it should be a local taxing body decision nonetheless.
I don't want a state commission deciding whether or not I've for to offer property tax breaks to businesses in my municipality. If the state wants to offer income tax breaks, that's fine.
ETA - school board races are about to become very competitive.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:29 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:29 am to Scruffy
Erath High is one of the highest performing non magnet publics in the state. I highly doubt they are working in palatial facilities with highly paid teachers. However, I would bet there is parental involvement that rivals private schools.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:30 am to Prominentwon
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I’ll have to dig some more, but Louisiana teachers are some of the lowest paid teachers across the country.
Because there's a shite ton of waste. Louisiana some of the highest sales taxes that are used to fund education, as well as a massive lottery system.
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I may be bias, but I think teachers should be one of the highest professions in the entire country. That’s a social thing for me, I know everyone doesn’t thing that way.
Why? What's their value add and supply and demand?
Also, not to get too far off on a tangent, they don't pay SS and are guaranteed to have more than a million dollars in retirement. Teachers can't see the trees through the forest.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:30 am to Cump11b
Edwards fricking up ITEP was the worst thing he has done. Maybe now we can raise the cap on film credits.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:33 am to Prominentwon
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I’ll have to dig some more, but Louisiana teachers are some of the lowest paid teachers across the country.
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I may be bias, but I think teachers should be one of the highest professions in the entire country.
The amount of money that bleeds out the system, before it gets to the classroom teacher, is truly staggering.
Part of that is bogus, wasteful contracts that are way more expensive than they should be. Part of that is wasteful positions, Part of that is the stupid high payments for benefits.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:34 am to slackster
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I don't want a state commission deciding whether or not I've for to offer property tax breaks to businesses in my municipality. If the state wants to offer income tax breaks, that's fine.
You’re in this thread arguing ideology and ignoring reality while we’re trying to stop morons from driving jobs and capital away.
One of the republican candidates for Governor, Eddie Rispone, has already said he will rescind JBE’s decision to kick ITEP down to the locals and it’s not a stretch to think the other candidate in Ralph Abraham will do it too.
We have a long way to go before we can trust locals to make decisions like this like Texas does with theirs. We’re not there yet so kindly take your preaching and leave.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:37 am to Sentrius
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One of the republican candidates for Governor, Eddie Rispone, has already said he will rescind JBE’s decision to kick ITEP down to the locals and it’s not a stretch to think the other candidate in Ralph Abraham will do it too.
We have a long way to go before we can trust locals to make decisions like this like Texas does with theirs. We’re not there yet so kindly take your preaching and leave.
Are you a republican because this is pretty much the antithesis of republican ideology
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:37 am to slackster
quote:It's logical that the people supposedly affected should have a say. However, the problem is I do not see where these locals would EVER OK a tax abatement that might reduce their district's budget - they're school teachers, sheriffs, etc. not economists. But if they never get the dollars is the budget reduced?
I'm just saying that it should be a local taxing body decision nonetheless.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:38 am to Prominentwon
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I may be bias, but I think teachers should be one of the highest professions in the entire country. That’s a social thing for me, I know everyone doesn’t thing that way.
Seems as if you could have used some effective teachers in your life.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:38 am to Sentrius
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You’re in this thread arguing ideology and ignoring reality while we’re trying to stop morons from driving jobs and capital away.
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You’re in this thread arguing ideology and ignoring reality while we’re trying to stop morons from driving jobs and capital away.
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We have a long way to go before we can trust locals to make decisions like this like Texas does with theirs. We’re not there yet so kindly take your preaching and leave.
We love to piss and moan when the feds make decisions for the state that should be the state's to make. Yet, if we are being honest, the feds making those decisions are probably smarter than the state people that would instead make those decisions.
Conservatives are supposed to believe in structure and rule. Liberals want to change the rules and override the structure when they don't get their way.
Quit acting like a liberal.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:39 am to LSUFanHouston
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Exxon got greedy here. They wanted to save $250K a year in taxes on a project, already completed, that created 18 jobs.
No project that creates only 18 jobs should get 250K a year for 10 years in exemptions. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
The problem in your logic is assuming that the local government is somehow entitled to exxon’s money.
fricking retard.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Why? What's their value add and supply and demand?
I think the root cause of all the issues and crime rate in this country is the education system or lack thereof. The amount of uneducated people that’s a drain on this society is one of the main reasons we see this negative social trend here.
Im going to bow out of this conversation becuase I don’t have a ton of info to debate about it and I don’t want to just spew bullshite.
My view is a bit skewered by my social opinion.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:41 am to Mo Jeaux
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Seems as if you could have used some effective teachers in your life.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:42 am to Prominentwon
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I think the root cause of all the issues and crime rate in this country is the education system or lack thereof. The amount of uneducated people that’s a drain on this society is one of the main reasons we see this negative social trend here.
And paying teachers helps that how? Teaching standards are set, and teachers get the same amount of time with the kids no matter how much they get paid. You could pay teachers a million dollars a year and have the very best people teaching, but if the kid goes home to no structure that has a commitment to learning it doesnt matter. All while you are bleeding the populace of more of their money.
Your general idea that education is imperative to society is correct, but your execution is fatally misguided
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:43 am to NIH
quote:If you look at the well performing schools’ funding and report cards, the best performing aren’t often the highest funded or the ones that spend the most per student.
Erath High is one of the highest performing non magnet publics in the state. I highly doubt they are working in palatial facilities with highly paid teachers. However, I would bet there is parental involvement that rivals private schools.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:43 am to Prominentwon
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Are they getting tax breaks in Texas?
Yes... yes they are.
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when they’re in a position to land new construction
Also when dealing with expansion.
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This whole “oh, we’re going to move to Texas” threat is empty.
If the business climate is not favorable, they will, in fact, pick up and move. Detroit thought the auto industry would never leave Detroit.
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Louisiana is one of the dumbest states in the country and has the worst academics in the country
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start improving the education system
I am all for this, but there is a right and wrong way to do this. When a company has to increase worker pay to double the market rate for a worker to transfer to a facility, it is no longer cost effective to operate the facility. Fact is, the state has horrible education policies and EBR Parish has been swindling away resources due to mismanagement for years, hints the St. George movement. TBR is throwing Exxon under the bus without actually addressing the real issues, which are the politicians and policies. While I agree the original ITEP setup was shady, the policies and politics have to be fixed first before hammering industry. Infrastructure needs to be improved, education improved, tax structure simplified, etc. The climate has to be favorable for industry to remain and expand. once you fix certain aspects, you can tighten certain things while not creating such a hostile climate. Also, the bad press they are giving Exxon is a bit uncalled for. I could see this if they are dumping millions of barrels into the Mississippi but they haven't broken the law.
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These tax dollars are a drop in the bucket for them
Yes, this particular instance is a drop in the bucket. However, when we are looking at the possibility of another recession, these dollars matter to these companies.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:43 am to White Bear
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It's logical that the people supposedly affected should have a say. However, the problem is I do not see where these locals would EVER OK a tax abatement that might effect their district's budget - they're school teachers, sheriffs, etc. not economists.
I want to build a plant.
The plant will create 5 million a year in property taxes. It will employ 500 employees. Those 500 employees will mainly be new to the area. They will buy houses nearby their work, which will generate new local residential property tax. They will shop and eat in our community, which will generate sales taxes. Those local sales taxes and residential property tax collections will exceed the additional government spending needed to teach, protect, etc these new people.
You won't get the 5 million a year from me in industrial property taxes, but you will get all of the new residential property taxes, and sales taxes, from all the new people my plant will bring to the community.
THIS is the type of deal that most people - even teachers and sherrifs, can support. it makes sense. Something, net, is better than nothing.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:44 am to Prominentwon
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