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re: Italy reported 630 deaths today from cv19. This is approaching spring levels

Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:54 pm to
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When this first started I was scared. I felt like everything was justified and a shutdown was the right call....now I think we are handling this for shite. Its the boy who cried wolf. We scared the piss out of everyone the point that people became fatigued with it. Now no one cares and the numbers will go up.


I agree. I even caught it 2 weeks ago and got rid of it within 4 days. I didn’t even care that I had it. It sucked, but I’ve had the flu way worse. I don’t care anymore much like thousands of other Americans.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:54 pm to
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When this first started I was scared. I felt like everything was justified and a shutdown was the right call....now I think we are handling this for shite. Its the boy who cried wolf. We scared the piss out of everyone the point that people became fatigued with it. Now no one cares and the numbers will go up.




People are done with it. Exhausted. The main reason Sweden went the route it did was to have a sustainable approach that their people would accept. That is where we failed. You can't keep people locked down, kids out of school, etc. for the better part of a year.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:57 pm to
I wasn't my girls to go back to school so badly. I cannot see how this won't hurt them worse in the long run. The regression is real. Neither have stepped foot in a school since March 13.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 9:59 pm to
My kid started school normally this fall. She's been home on quarantine for a few weeks now because her best friend got the Rona and she was exposed. That ran into Thanksgiving break so she'll have been out almost another month when it's done.
Posted by jennBN
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:01 pm to
This shite doesn't even feel real anymore. I went to the city this week and people were milling about everywhere. Bars can be open until 10pm but kids can't go to school. They can go to daycare but not school. Sephora the cosmetic store is deemed essential but school's must be closed? What the actual frick is happening?
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:05 pm to
The shutdowns and responses have often not made any sense. My daughter goes to a private school and they opened with all students on campus in August. They made remote leaning optional but maybe 10% chose that.

She's a healthy, soon to be 14 year old. I'm not worried about her getting Covid. My wife and I aren't high risk. She doesn't have any siblings around her age and needs to be in school around other kids.

A year away from peers is a lot of time to a developing child/teenager.
This post was edited on 11/23/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Quidam65
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:09 pm to
Might be time for Samaritan's Purse to send one of their hospitals to Italy again. (And for the record, unlike some NYC politicians, the Italian locals were very thankful.)
Posted by jennBN
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:14 pm to
My girls are 5 and 7. I think this will have an impact on them forever. Sure they will catch up and their peers here will have had the same collective experience but it changed their trajectory. I love California but the lockdowns were sporadic, localized, and illogical. You can't lock down a county and leave the adjoining county wide-open. People just drove over county lines. It did nothing to stop the spread. The only thing that has remained locked down is schools which was the one age group that could have taken the exposure most safely.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:18 pm to
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Meanwhile, Sweden, Florida, and places like that are doing a lot better


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STOCKHOLM — Sweden, whose unorthodox pandemic strategy garnered global attention, has registered 15,084 new coronavirus cases since Friday, Health Agency statistics showed on Tuesday.
The number comes after Sweden hit a new daily record of 5,990 new cases last Friday, with the number of people testing positive rising by about 50 per cent a week.

Sweden’s total number of cases stands at 177,355, while deaths are at 6,225, according to the World Health Organization.

While the country’s death rate per capita is lower than in Spain and Britain, it is more than 10 times higher than neighbouring Norway and almost five times higher than in Denmark.



In an open letter Friday, 27 Swedish scientists and doctors warned the country could soon approach the sort of numbers in intensive care seen in the spring and called on party leaders to override the Health Agency and introduce tougher restrictions.





On Monday, Sweden’s prime minister Stefan Löfven obliged, announcing much stricter coronavirus measures to dampen the surge in cases and deaths.
Sweden is to limit gatherings in the country to a maximum of eight people, in what Lofven described as “an extremely interventionist measure which has no equivalent in modern times”.



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Posted by NIH
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:20 pm to
Do you want lockdowns?
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:21 pm to
I just kind of feel like its spread is inevitable and so the lockdowns did more harm than good. Granted, hindsight is 20/20 and all but I think we had pretty clear evidence this was going to be the case months ago too.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:23 pm to
Should’ve seen their stats from Operation Husky. Talk about casualties.
Posted by East Coast Band
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:23 pm to
Have recent tallies been done on total deaths? It seems like these rise on "Covid" deaths are just replacing other actual death causes. Even if it somwhat higher than last year, I'd like to see a tally of say the last 5 years or so death rates.

With no BS.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:25 pm to
I was so naive I thought it was just for 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Bunch of posters saw this coming though. Wish I would have seen the forest for the trees.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:25 pm to
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Do you want lockdowns?


Just trying to correct inaccurate information. I think the lock down the world camp and the nothingburger/hoax/muh freedoms camp are equally out to lunch.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:26 pm to
Covid is definitely killing people. There is no question of that. I just dont think the lockdowns are slowing/stopping it.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:28 pm to
I thought the 2 weeks to "flatten the curve" when we didn't fully understand the virus wasn't the end of the world. But it became pretty clear fairly quickly that the virus was being used as a political weapon. It still is actually.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:30 pm to
I agree. It's being used by all sides. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Sadly, I don't think we have even seen the economic fallout yet.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:32 pm to
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Just trying to correct inaccurate information. I think the lock down the world camp and the nothingburger/hoax/muh freedoms camp are equally out to lunch.



You talk about "cases" but how is Sweden doing on deaths compared to the rest of Europe. The graphs have been posted on here numerous times and they are striking. I am sure you have seen them. I read an article somewhere today that for the past 6 months or so, Sweden has had no excess mortality. That is, their deaths have come into line with prior years.

You want to engage in scorekeeping on cases? I DGAF.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98343 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:32 pm to
The article mentions deaths.
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