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re: It has now been 82 years since the Imperial Japanese Navy attacked Pearl Harbor...
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:44 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:44 pm to Mr. Misanthrope

Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:23 pm to kciDAtaE
the Japs don't know it's Pop's birthday
Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:59 pm to samson73103
It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.....and it's not over now. Neidermeyer....dead, Wormer.....dead!
Posted on 12/7/23 at 6:12 pm to RollTide1987
My kid has a bit of interest in WWII history. This year he had a 7th grade English assignment where he chose to study the USS Utah. He learned a lot about the ship and it's history that he proceed to tell me and his mom. For example, it was the first ship sunk that day and went down in less than 10 mins. She has been called Pearl Harbor's forgotten hero.
A former heavy cruiser/battleship, she had been converted to a remote control target ship. For about a decade before Pearl Harbor Navy sailors attacked the USS Utah with inert torpedoes and bombs. Many new aerial bombing techniques were developed based on these mock attacks. His thesis statement was that "The Utah was an unsung hero of World War II because she prepared American Soldiers, pilots and sailors to fight and win the war in the Pacific."
A former heavy cruiser/battleship, she had been converted to a remote control target ship. For about a decade before Pearl Harbor Navy sailors attacked the USS Utah with inert torpedoes and bombs. Many new aerial bombing techniques were developed based on these mock attacks. His thesis statement was that "The Utah was an unsung hero of World War II because she prepared American Soldiers, pilots and sailors to fight and win the war in the Pacific."
Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:04 pm to Lonnie Utah
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My kid has a bit of interest in WWII history.
This is great. My son fell in love with The Pacific series and he took great interest in WW2. He's now 15 and graduates in 2026. I'm taking him to either Europe or Japan after he graduates. I just need to figure out which he wants to go to. I'd love to take him to both eventually.
A cool story: The Pacific covers John Basilone from his New York family through his death in the Pacific. We went to Arlington in 2019 and I'd already tracked down his grave. My son and I hadn't talked about us watching The Pacific when he was smaller. I found the grave and called my son over. He saw it and we just stood there together in silence.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:05 pm to RollTide1987
Damn Japs, I still don't own a car from them today
American heavy metal for me (even if they make it in Canada, it is still a country on our side in the big one!

American heavy metal for me (even if they make it in Canada, it is still a country on our side in the big one!
Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:33 pm to RollTide1987
The most horrifying Pearl Harbor story
Three guys survived on the West Virginia for about three weeks after it sank. I can't think of many worse ways to go than this.
Three guys survived on the West Virginia for about three weeks after it sank. I can't think of many worse ways to go than this.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:50 am to RollTide1987
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December 7, 1941 - January 6, 1942
The first blush of dawn tinged the eastern sky and sent its rosy fingers creeping onto the flight deck of the huge triple-tailed flying boat as she cruised high above the South Pacific. Six days out of her home port of San Francisco, the Boeing 314 was part of Pan American Airways' growing new service that linked the far corners of the Pacific Ocean. With veteran captain Robert Ford in command, the Pacific Clipper, carrying 12 passengers and a crew of ten was just a few hours from landing in the harbor at Auckland, New Zealand.
The calm serenity of the flight deck early on this spring morning was suddenly shattered by the crackling of the radio. Radio Operator John Poindexter clamped the headset to his ears as he deciphered the coded message. His eyes widened as he quickly wrote the characters on the pad in front of him. Pearl Harbor had been attacked by Japanese war planes and had suffered heavy losses; the United States was at war. The stunned crew looked at each other as the implications of the message began to dawn. They realized that their route back to California was irrevocably cut, and there was no going back. Ford ordered radio silence, and then posted lookouts in the navigator's blister. Two hours later, the Pacific Clipper touched down smoothly on the waters of Auckland harbor. The odyssey was just beginning.
The crew haunted the overwhelmed communications room at the US Embassy in Auckland every day for a week waiting for a message from Pan Am headquarters in New York. Finally they received word -- they were to try and make it back to the United States the long way: around the world westbound. For Ford and his crew, it was a daunting assignment. Facing a journey of over 30,000 miles, over oceans and lands that none of them had ever seen, they would have to do all their own planning and servicing, scrounging whatever supplies and equipment they needed; all this in the face of an erupting World War in which political alliances and loyalties in many parts of the world were uncertain at best.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:09 am to RollTide1987
Them baws FAAFO didn’t they?
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:46 am to RollTide1987
Even though it was a surprise attack that had been cooked up by the Japanese and Nazis together, Pearl Harbor was a military attack.
It does bother me a bit that the US (I understand the reasoning of the bomb to end the war) bombed two cities (civilians, old people, babies, women, etc.) and turned them into charcoal whether they approved of the war or not.
Disclaimer: Civilians get punished for stupid decisions their idiot leaders make. I wish there could have been another way.
DV away.
It does bother me a bit that the US (I understand the reasoning of the bomb to end the war) bombed two cities (civilians, old people, babies, women, etc.) and turned them into charcoal whether they approved of the war or not.
Disclaimer: Civilians get punished for stupid decisions their idiot leaders make. I wish there could have been another way.
DV away.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:57 pm to BRIllini07
I still shake my head that even after Pearl Harbor we adopted a Europe-first strategy. I'm not saying we shouldn't have helped kick the Nazis' arse but Japan should have been the priority.
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