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re: Is this the most divided our nation has been in your lifetime?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:01 am to _Hurricane_
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:01 am to _Hurricane_
I feel like a lot of our problems would go away of Twitter would just disappear.
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:01 am to 1BamaRTR
dude your avi really just messed with my mind.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:06 am to Thracken13
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the fact of the matter is stupidity is rampant in government - period.
I disagree. I think there are a LOT of intelligent people in our government, on both sides. The problem is politics has become a team sport where supporters for both parties refuse to see the faults in their side because they're so obsessed with finding fault with the other side. And the 2 parties exploit that dynamic.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:09 am to _Hurricane_
Yes...it comes from both sides and at this point people say or do things just to win over or piss off the other side. I'm so tired of the politically obsessed dividing this nation.....I just want things to go back to fricking normal
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:09 am to The Spleen
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politics has become a team sport where supporters for both parties refuse to see the faults in their side because they're so obsessed with finding fault with the other side.
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And the 2 parties exploit that dynamic.
and this is exactly why Trump was elected and almost 80mil voted to re-elect him, imo
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:10 am to The Spleen
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I disagree. I think there are a LOT of intelligent people in our government, on both sides. The problem is politics has become a team sport where supporters for both parties refuse to see the faults in their side because they're so obsessed with finding fault with the other side. And the 2 parties exploit that dynamic.
100%
Our politicians are not dumb.
The people that they pander too are dumb. Or at least overly emotional to the point where they become dumb in certain settings.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:13 am to Thracken13
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the problem with where we, as a nation, are at at this time - we do not know how to meet 1/2 way, we only deal in extremes
This is also the fault of the Republican party. It was you clowns who courted religious nutjobs as your base. These idiots think their ideas come from their diety, so there can be no compromise with those kinds of idiots. Hell, even Barry Goldwater spoke out against using religious idiots as it will kill compromise. But that piece of shite Ronald Triple the Nation Debt Reagan just had to have a base of idiots to vote for the GOP since the idea of tax cuts for the rich is politically unpopular.
I get that you butthurt tighty-whitey don't want to actually admit what has happened, but it is what happened.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:14 am to Salmon
sorry - my statement of stupidity was not meant as intelligence of the elected officials - but a lot of the decisions they make that defy logic.
you and Spleen made that point a lot more clearly than I did :)
you and Spleen made that point a lot more clearly than I did :)
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:15 am to CaptainBrannigan
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This is also the fault of the Republican party. It was you clowns who courted religious nutjobs as your base
Again, you fricking people
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:16 am to LNCHBOX
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you fricking people
who youse calling youse people?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:18 am to CaptainBrannigan
"Everything bad is because of them. Everything good is because of us."
This is the delusional of the weak minded. This is how weak minded people reduce things in order to make themselves feel better.
Congrats.
This is the delusional of the weak minded. This is how weak minded people reduce things in order to make themselves feel better.
Congrats.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:20 am to Salmon
Tribalism has always been around but social media has made it more prevalent and worse
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:20 am to TigerinATL
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The political industry on both sides has been spending Billions of dollars for decades to turn us against one another for the sake of increasing their market share. What's new now is that the amplification and gamification of social media has made us not only addicted to outrage, but addicted to letting everyone else know that we're outraged.
This. You hit it right on the head.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:21 am to Salmon
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Ignorance is bliss. Which probably helped tremendously in thee 60s, which was the point I was trying to make
I didn’t live through the 60s, but the thing that strikes me is that even with 3 TV stations and no internet you had people rioting, assassinations, bombings, hundreds of airplane hijackings (can you imagine this today in our post 9/11 world?)
I do think there are a lot of parallels between now and the 60s though, divide between young vs old in which way the country should go, Vietnam and Iraq, race relations (in the 60s of course this was more tangible and discrete issues, whereas the problems of today are more about x hundred years of resentment spilling over under a media spotlight).
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:24 am to TigerinATL
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the amplification and gamification of social media has made us not only addicted to outrage, but addicted to letting everyone else know that we're outraged.
Traditional media ate this up too because it’s the easiest story in the world. You don’t even have to reach out for quotes
Taco Bell runs ad
20 people on twitter find something racist about
ABC “Outrage over Taco Bell’s latest ad”
Killallincels said “this ad is racist”
Taco Bell declined to comment but has pulled the ad.
24 hours later another company goes thru the same cycle
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:28 am to _Hurricane_
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Is this the most divided our nation has been in your lifetime?
absolutely... and it's really frustrating and sad that we, as a society, have let it get to this point... It really is
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:28 am to Cocotheape
I'm certainly not an Obama fan but one thing he said recently is that Progress and perfection are not and should not be expected to be one in the same.
Current environment demands total perfection on all things progressive. The movements in the 60s and 70s appeared to not be quite so aggressive.
And I agree with Salmon, the radical view points on either side of the table are entirely more pervasive now due to "Access".
We'd lose our shite if some of the radical, anit war folks in the 60s had the level of mass communication that is readily available to every Tom and Dick these days.
The irony is that the Antifa folks and these radical Senate Stormers have a lot more in common than they think.
Until this is realized^ and it may never be, we're in for a lot more social and political turmoil.
Current environment demands total perfection on all things progressive. The movements in the 60s and 70s appeared to not be quite so aggressive.
And I agree with Salmon, the radical view points on either side of the table are entirely more pervasive now due to "Access".
We'd lose our shite if some of the radical, anit war folks in the 60s had the level of mass communication that is readily available to every Tom and Dick these days.
The irony is that the Antifa folks and these radical Senate Stormers have a lot more in common than they think.
Until this is realized^ and it may never be, we're in for a lot more social and political turmoil.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:29 am to Asharad
Echo chambers is clearly the issue. Watch the Social Dilemma on Netflix. It will explain what has happened to our society. Essentially, we are all fed information that fits our world view, reinforcing more divided beliefs. "Like" a post, you get more of that type of information fed to you to keep you engaged.
My daughter worked on social media targeting in the election and it was shocking the microlevel of beliefs and bias that could be targeted via social media. Every piece of information, including this post is trackable.
My daughter worked on social media targeting in the election and it was shocking the microlevel of beliefs and bias that could be targeted via social media. Every piece of information, including this post is trackable.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:31 am to cyogi
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The political industry on both sides has been spending Billions of dollars for decades to turn us against one another for the sake of increasing their market share. What's new now is that the amplification and gamification of social media has made us not only addicted to outrage, but addicted to letting everyone else know that we're outraged.
Fascinating and accurate.
"Dark Money" covers this, albeit only to the extreme against the right wing.
The exact same thing has happened with the left via Big Tech and the likely even more absurd money that is spilling into that narrative under the veneer of "Social improvement".
It's 100% about power and creating an all or nothing narrative that has become so pervasive today.
The general population simply isn't able to, or even allowed to cross that line in the sand without being considered a "Traitor" to whichever side of politics they traditionally lean.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:33 am to cyogi
Both parties figured out that you don’t need to attract moderates to win congress, you just have to turn out your base to an extreme degree. With the internet, these extremes then became purity tests, which is why you don’t hear much from centrist Democrats (outside of Manchin) and the Republican base wants the blood of “RINOs” (a term that has been used in this very thread)
Before the 80s, the political parties didn’t have such polarizing party platforms and there were decent numbers in both parties that were “more” conservative/liberal than those in the other party. Nixon’s southern strategy, Rush/Newt, the rise of the progressive wing of Democrats all lead us down this unfortunate road. There’s no reason that there shouldn’t be Democrats that oppose abortion (as Biden mostly did back in the late 80s) or a Republican who supports more relaxed immigration policies , etc.
Before the 80s, the political parties didn’t have such polarizing party platforms and there were decent numbers in both parties that were “more” conservative/liberal than those in the other party. Nixon’s southern strategy, Rush/Newt, the rise of the progressive wing of Democrats all lead us down this unfortunate road. There’s no reason that there shouldn’t be Democrats that oppose abortion (as Biden mostly did back in the late 80s) or a Republican who supports more relaxed immigration policies , etc.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 10:40 am
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