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re: Is the whole “veterans need special treatment” overblown?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:24 pm to Caraway Rye
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:24 pm to Caraway Rye
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His paycheck was tax dollars
So are firefighters. So are EMS. So are police.
Are they equally as worthless?
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:28 pm to Centinel
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Are they equally as worthless?
No
They actually have negative worth on taxpayers
It's not worthless because it's quantifiable below zero
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:28 pm to concrete_tiger
quote:This. Every veteran deserves your appreciation but we should reserve another level of honor for people who put their lives on the line.
My father in law spent an entire career with zero time deployed to any shiathole, and never saw any action at all. Spent the last decade on one spot, and after retirement essentially did his same job in civilian form...in the SAME building, for another 10 years.
Contrast that to my brother in law, who spent 25+ years in the service, was posted at some shite holes, and deployed to shitfrickistan and the likes some 6 times, and earned 2 purple hearts along the way. These 2 scenarios should be weighed differently.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:38 pm to Caraway Rye
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They actually have negative worth on taxpayers
It's not worthless because it's quantifiable below zero
It's idiots like you that keep libertarianism from actually being taken seriously.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:00 pm to fareplay
In MY experience: it’s usually the quiet ones that do, and it’s the loud ones who are mostly full of shite.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:04 pm to Centinel
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So are firefighters. So are EMS. So are police.
Are they equally as worthless?
Not defending his point, but that is a false equivalence as the people you listed perform services in this country.
The US military is what keeps this country growing and what put it ahead post WWII. And it's why we are able to keep printing endless money. Because that threat is always there. That's what the military is. Whether that's good or smart is another argument.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:07 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Not defending his point, but that is a false equivalence as the people you listed perform services in this country.
You don't think servicemembers in the military perform services in this country?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Such as what?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:10 pm to EarlyCuyler3
So the Natty Guard doesn’t perform any services applicable at the state level?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:11 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Such as what?
You have a boat?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:14 pm to Breauxsif
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So the Natty Guard doesn’t perform any services applicable at the state level?
Point taken, how much of the military budget goes towards the national guard though?
Let me rephrase and say that those listed more directly serve the public than the military. Whereas the military is more focused abroad.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:15 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Let me rephrase and say that those listed more directly serve the public than the military. Whereas the military is more focused abroad.
Then your issue is one of utilization, not usefulness.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:18 pm to fareplay
You will be very happy to learn that, contrary to taking care of active duty and retired military personnel, the United States of America is taking steps to cut the benefits and advantages of being on active duty or retired military.
One example: back when the USA maintained ownership of the gas stations on military installations, the cheapest gas in town was on the installation. Recently, the USA has turned over ownership to Valero. The Valero gas stations on the military installation has a "captive audience" and takes advantage of that by charging the highest gas prices in town.
One example: back when the USA maintained ownership of the gas stations on military installations, the cheapest gas in town was on the installation. Recently, the USA has turned over ownership to Valero. The Valero gas stations on the military installation has a "captive audience" and takes advantage of that by charging the highest gas prices in town.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:23 pm to Centinel
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It's idiots like you that keep libertarianism from actually being taken seriously.
No I just can give you an actual number for the value
You can give platitudes about service
One is quantifiable and verified. One is made up out of thin air to say whatever you want to say.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:23 pm to Caraway Rye
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No I just can give you an actual number for the value
You've yet to give an actual number.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:25 pm to fareplay
Yes it is and served in the AF and ANG.
When people say thank you, I say no thanks required I volunteered
When people say thank you, I say no thanks required I volunteered
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:25 pm to fareplay
the only time I ever see that is when a politician is trying to score points. My grandpa was a WWII fighter pilot. He never wanted special treatment. He just wanted to go to Shoney's on Sunday in his coveralls
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:29 pm to Centinel
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You've yet to give an actual number.
Okay
I will give you a number
The starting salary of a police officer where I am is $57,000 a year paid by local taxpayers
They get paid 2.5% percent less dollars than that because of our local income taxes
They have a net negative local taxpayer value of $55,575 at starting salary.
Anything else is speculative.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:29 pm to Caraway Rye
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No I just can give you an actual number for the value
You can give platitudes about service
One is quantifiable and verified. One is made up out of thin air to say whatever you want to say.
How are you posting about this topic without ever having held employment before?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Then your issue is one of utilization, not usefulness.
There's not much use for 100 tanks or an aircraft carrier in Kansas though, is there?
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