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re: Is the whole hacker / IT security / upgrade loop just a system to keep people employed?

Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:33 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:33 am to
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Emails and their contents can be scanned before delivery, yes. But the scanning server/software... get this... has to be updated/patched, too.


Yeah I understand that, but it seems like a filter that only lets through internal emails is pretty straightforward. If external email is far more likely to be malicious, it would make sense to limit where/what that email can access on the network.

I have no clue if that's possible, just wondering.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10172 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:35 am to
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, if I have a vendor who has approved remote access to my system and their employees have their accounts hacked, how do I know it's really my vendor contacting me about scheduling their next remote session?


I get it..I've spent many a Monday morning in a hotel, calling all the branches to remind them that my service tech from ABC will be coming around over the next few days..We have also found that the younger kids (opposite the old ones that open emails) do not question anything..They see random people walking around and are cool with that..I printed a badge one time with the name spot saying "Shouldn't Behere"...Again, the biggest threat to IT today is the user..
Posted by TigerStripes06
SWLA
Member since Sep 2006
30032 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:35 am to
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I don’t see how all these ‘upgrades’ to my desktop at work have radically improved my efficiency


How much downtime would you say you have to where you can’t access networks, programs, or databases that you need to access in order to do your job?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88419 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:36 am to
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Yeah I understand that, but it seems like a filter that only lets through internal emails is pretty straightforward. If external email is far more likely to be malicious, it would make sense to limit where/what that email can access on the network.

I have no clue if that's possible, just wondering.
It's an active practice. Often, external emails are flagged and a banner is added. Some are blocked completely. Attachments from external emails are blocked. Hyperlinks are removed.

Lots of steps can be taken to prevent stupidity from being a factor. But that doesn't stop people from being stupid and smart people will find a way to exploit that. If emails don't work, there are other methods.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10172 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:36 am to
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Someone hacked into the customers network, and in turn found a backdoor into the company providing the portal


A/C and other temperature monitoring software are fricking atrocious.. This is also a favorite
ETA: edited the link to less "uninstall adblock" site
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 10:44 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88419 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:38 am to
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We have also found that the younger kids (opposite the old ones that open emails) do not question anything..They see random people walking around and are cool with that..I printed a badge one time with the name spot saying "Shouldn't Behere"
Younger generations are much less social in the real sense. They don't get to know their coworkers and they are often conditioned to not ask questions. It's a real problem.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42502 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:39 am to
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I have no clue if that's possible, just wondering.


It's possible. This all goes to the point of how stupid the OP's post was. There will always be a need for IT, and even though you may walk into their office and they are playing world of warcraft, doesn't mean that they aren't there until 2 or 3 in the morning a lot of nights fixing shite that retards caused.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88419 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:41 am to
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This, is also a favorite
Network printers and copy machines. Easiest targets that no one wants to manage.

A fish tank is just awesome though. Respect.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 10:42 am
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10172 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:42 am to
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Network printers and copy machines. Easiest targets that no one wants to manage.



We get a lot of DVR systems on the public side too..Super easy to frick up your location if someone has access to the cameras..(I know this sounds like movie shite, but I promise its that easy..there are even sites that list available targets if you're bored)
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
2403 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:47 am to
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We STILL have a 10-15% click rate, with some quarters being as high as 30%.


This sounds low based on the amount of folks here that don't understand what's a blind link.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46687 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:49 am to
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And those hacked vendors allow the hackers to create more realistic phishing attempts.


I'm seeing this a ton these days. Mainly Office365 compromises. So our attorneys will get emails from legit clients or other attorneys that have been compromised. Thankfully it's usually additional phishing account harvesting.

Lesson here is that if you're using a cloud-based application that you're accessing from outside your network and you're not using MFA, you're wrong.

I strait up halted our O365 rollout here until we had MFA in place.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46687 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:50 am to
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.there are even sites that list available targets if you're bored



Good ole Shodan.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10172 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:53 am to
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accessing from outside your network and you're not using MFA, you're wrong.


so hard to force this on clients..They'll check facebook and text religiously but can't be bothered to install an app that sends them a code

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Good ole Shodan.



that site is scary

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88419 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:55 am to
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Lesson here is that if you're using a cloud-based application that you're accessing from outside your network and you're not using MFA, you're wrong.
We rolled out our MFA about 4 years ago for both our internal and corporate networks. It's a headache for remote support, but it's worth it. Cisco vpn + secureauth and then a separate EI-based app for remoting. No more remote desktop because of how easy it is for remote code execution.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:58 am to
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ETA: edited the link to less "uninstall adblock" site


Your link is blocked by my work filters. Was this a test?
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10172 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:00 am to
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Your link is blocked by my work filters. Was this a test?



maybe from your work IT...

google fish tank hack
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46687 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:02 am to
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so hard to force this on clients..They'll check facebook and text religiously but can't be bothered to install an app that sends them a code


Oh we had people bitching up a storm once we rolled it out. Our response was "Do you want to keep this multi-million dollar client? Yes? Well then shut up because they're the one requiring this."

Client requirements and ISO/HITRUST certification has made ramming through good security practices SO much easier.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42502 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:03 am to
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We get a lot of DVR systems on the public side too..Super easy to frick up your location if someone has access to the cameras..(I know this sounds like movie shite, but I promise its that easy..there are even sites that list available targets if you're bored)


Every site we have that have DVR's that want access to view from the outside each have a separate internet circuit just for the DVR. Has no access to our network, and doesn't even pass through any of our appliances.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Hammond
Member since Feb 2013
10172 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:03 am to
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they're the one requiring this


lot of people don't get this either...We can't let X connect in because they don't meet our own internal requirements..Fix their shite and get back to us
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17754 posts
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:38 am to
Here's why ITSEC is so important

Variant of WANNACRY virus briefly shuts down major Apple supllier

Cliffs:
Supplier installs new equipment
New equipment arrived on site with virus "preinstalled"
virus propagates once it is connected to suppliers network
causes $170M in lost revenue
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