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re: Is the National Anthem now racist too?

Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:13 pm to
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I provided links and quoted them.


Well here you go

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Johnson is an associate professor at Morgan State University in Baltimore
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“Essentially,” says writer and academic Jason Johnson, “Francis Scott Key was happy to see former slaves, who had joined the British as part of their Colonial Marines, getting slaughtered and killed as they attempted to take Baltimore.”
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He points out that Key himself faced the black Colonial Marines in battle.





People who were impressed into the British navy weren't thought or referred to as "Slaves" and that is an extremely modern interpretation of his comments. Not to mention the idea that Key would celebrate Americans pressed into involuntary service dying is absurd.


This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted by SamuelClemens
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:16 pm to
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Essentially,” says writer and academic Jason Johnson, “Francis Scott Key was happy to see former slaves, who had joined the British as part of their Colonial Marines, getting slaughtered and killed as they attempted to take Baltimore.”


Essentially he is FOS posturing to say he knows what was in Key's mind.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:22 pm to
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Essentially he is FOS posturing to say he knows what was in Key's mind.


Key never commented on that line, so no one truly knows. It seems like a logical stretch though that he referred to as impressment because it requires a modern definition of slavery. There is a Colonial Marine interpretation that could just be "Key thought they were traitors to America and rejoiced in traitors dying a traitor's death"

Referring to them as slaves would have been expected from someone from Maryland in early 1800s


The idea that he is referring to impressment seems unlikely given Key's experience with Colonial Marines, the large number of CMs present, the large number vs impressed soldiers and that it logically doesn't make sense referring to impressed soldiers
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted by the_watcher
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:26 pm to
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“Essentially,” says writer and academic Jason Johnson, “Francis Scott Key was happy to see former slaves, who had joined the British as part of their Colonial Marines, getting slaughtered and killed as they attempted to take Baltimore.”

Ohhhh so now we are speculating what his mindset was while he watched his own country get attacked by the British Navy. Got it. Speculation aside, should he have been disappointed that his country was winning a fricking battle against a foreign nation instead? Or should he have only rooted for the Americans to kill the white British soldiers trying to kill Americans, and not the black british soldiers who were also - gasp - trying to kill Americans?

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Many historians agree with Johnson, but some disagree. They point out that Key never told anyone what he actually meant, and some historians interpret his mention of hirelings and slaves to reference all of the invading British forces.

From the link you just provided

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He points out that Key himself faced the black Colonial Marines in battle.

This would be kind of hard to do while watching the battle on a ship 4 miles away LINK
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:29 pm to
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Is the National Anthem now racist too? by crap4brain


Well. They think America is racist so.........
Posted by carhartt
Member since Feb 2013
8362 posts
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:35 pm to
SJW's are getting more and more ridiculous every day.

Can we please stop acknowledging their existence and giving them the time of day. The more MSM gives them attention, the more outlandish crap they will pull.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:32 pm to
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People like you are what's wrong with this country. You hear or read someone who is as equally as uninformed as you are, say or tweet something false - that the national anthem of your own country "mentions killing escaped slaves" - and you take it as fact and then promote the lie yourself.



Bitch you don't know me. I asked for a citation. Which is not unfounded on a sute full of birther moronic Trump voters.
Posted by sjmabry
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:46 pm to
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In 5 years, we're going to look back on this stuff and laugh about how tame these people were.
These people?
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 5:00 pm to
You cant scratch your balls these days without it being racist.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 5:05 pm to
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CaptainBrannigan

Your douchebaggery is second to none.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 5:45 pm to
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Your douchebaggery is second to none.


Thanks.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:00 pm to
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Is speech that is a direct attack on The Constitution protected?


Yes, to the utmost


And how is attacking the Star Spangle Banner anything like attacking the Constitution?
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:14 pm to
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Legit, the post I made above yours explains the error in this person's claim


I'm not commenting on the anthem and/or implications, but the guy's history is factually incorrect


You cited Wikipedia's article on the Corp of Colonial Marines. It didn't at all state that Key was referring to them in the Star Spangle Banner.

You won't find a source that's determinative one way or the other between the two theories. Although, if I were to bet, the word "slave" is referring to British Impressment because that was one of the significant reasons for the beginning of the War of 1812. Furthermore, by the time Key penned the Star Spangle Banner, the Corp of Colonial Marines had only been in existence for three months. Key, who was not in the military, would have little reason to know of their existence.
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:33 pm to
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Though the well-known first verse, “in which a young man peers into a foggy and rain-soaked dawn to find out whether his country has been conquered in battle, is urgent, open-hearted and honest,” the third verse all but contradicts any meaning of a “land of the free” and “home of the brave” (emphasis mine):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The War of 1812 was caused, among other things, by Great Britain’s attempt to restrict U.S. trade and America’s desire to expand its northern territory by annexing Canada. By 1810, more than 15 percent of the U.S. population was enslaved, and British forces recruited escaped slaves to fight for the slaves’ freedom against the American militia. This unit, referred to as the Colonial Marines, was part of the British forces that overran Washington, D.C., in 1814 and set fire to the White House.

So when Key references the “foul footstep’s” of the “hireling and slave” who “no refuge could save” from “the gloom of the grave” in the third verse, he’s referring to the killing of Colonial Marines. As noted by The Rootpolitical editor Jason Johnson, “TheStar-Spangled Banner is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom.”

Following the War of 1812, the Treaty of Ghent was signed, with the United States ordering the return of “such slaves as may be in your control, belonging to any inhabitant or citizen of the United States.” The British refused.




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Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:38 pm to
One of the stanzas is explicitly about messing over slaves.
You cant get around it. This nation was founded on some ebil shite. Its not all clean and good.
Only the state of pennsylvania even started out with non property owners being able to vote.
Your common white worker could not vote in most states.
Celebrate that too.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 6:39 pm
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:53 pm to
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This nation was founded on some ebil shite.


Name a nation that wasn't founded on "ebil shite"

Building nations is never pretty because you have to deal with the nation that was there before you.

The history of every successful people on this planet is one of bloodshed and rape. Fire and sword.

You lily-livered pantywaists can wring your purses in disgust at the fact that people used to be much harder in the past, but you are merely examples of the weak types that will be be crushed if a strong boot ever comes your way.

Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:14 pm to
We need to start defacing their monuments.... oh wait
Posted by Mung
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:24 pm to
false flag operation
Posted by the_watcher
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:46 pm to
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Bitch you don't know me. I asked for a citation. Which is not unfounded on a sute full of birther moronic Trump voters.


Right on schedule, you reach the point in the arguement where you insult the other person instead offering anything of substantive value. So far in this thread you have claimed the national anthem "talks about killing escaped slaves" which is utterly false. Those are your words no one forced you to say that. You then cited Wikipedia and claimed it said something it did not. You followed that up by claiming an author knows the exact state of mind of Francis Scott Key over 200 years ago and that he was "happy to see slaves (who were actually British soldiers trying to kill Americans) die."

Everyone here knows exactly what kind of person you are
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:51 pm to
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Only the state of pennsylvania even started out with non property owners being able to vote.
Your common white worker could not vote in most states.
Celebrate that too
.

Name one single country that ever started out with universal suffrage

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